Government and racism - a speech by Ron Paul

[Battleborne]

Hey....fool...

Gods, but you are predictable. You're going to have people really believing that you are my troll persona if you keep dropping your pants in public like this: I couldn't have asked for an easier target.

You are the one who insists that the only possible successor to the nation-state is some nightmarish, totalitarian regime. Let's work on that first, shall we? I mean, that is the entire basis for your infantile clinging to national sovereignty, is it not?

Do you deny that population density is rising far faster now than at any time in history?

Do you deny that increasing population density has always been accompanied, up to this time, by increasing centralization of government and political power?

Do you deny that multi-national corporations are even now, today, able to avoid the laws of any one nation more-or-less at will?

Your problem is that you have this obsession with The New World Order, which you conceive of as an inevitability should national sovereignty dissolve. The trouble is that you've watched too many episodes of The X-Files.

I for one liked the X-files...the Red on the Head(Scully) was hot...she was a combination of the Girl next door..and a hot momma....or something like that...lol

 

[Litmus]

Gods, but you are predictable. You're going to have people really believing that you are my troll persona if you keep dropping your pants in public like this: I couldn't have asked for an easier target.

You are the one who insists that the only possible successor to the nation-state is some nightmarish, totalitarian regime. Let's work on that first, shall we? I mean, that is the entire basis for your infantile clinging to national sovereignty, is it not?

Do you deny that population density is rising far faster now than at any time in history?

Do you deny that increasing population density has always been accompanied, up to this time, by increasing centralization of government and political power?

Do you deny that multi-national corporations are even now, today, able to avoid the laws of any one nation more-or-less at will?

Your problem is that you have this obsession with The New World Order, which you conceive of as an inevitability should national sovereignty dissolve. The trouble is that you've watched too many episodes of The X-Files.

You did it again, you mock the concept of the new world order, in the same post that you claim it's the only solution, at the end of your absurd and spurious line of questions.

No. I've read too much of the actual thinking of the elites in government, academia, and finance.


Your series of questions is not an argument, dumbass.

 

[OrnotBitwise]

You did it again, you mock the concept of the new world order, in the same post that you claim it's the only solution, at the end of your absurd and spurious line of questions.

No. I've read too much of the actual thinking of the elites in government, academia, and finance.


Your series of questions is not an argument, dumbass.

I do not mock the idea that there will be something after the nation-state. Far from it. What I mock is your silly "New World Order" comic book conception of what it must be.

I'm mocking you, Bubbi. Get used to it: you're going to get a lot of that.

To be sure, there is the potential for some really grotesque governments in the next century or two. That's exactly why we can't be complacent. Honestly, though, I believe that the greatest danger is in the influence of the multi-national corporations.

There *will* be a world government, unless you genocidal fascisti get your way. What isn't certain is the form and nature of that government.

 

[Litmus]

I do not mock the idea that there will be something after the nation-state. Far from it. What I mock is your silly "New World Order" comic book conception of what it must be.

It will be a unification of coporate and government elites, running things for themselves. It will be a totalitarian global empire. What's your vision?

I'm mocking you, Bubbi. Get used to it: you're going to get a lot of that.

Yes. Mocking me is all you can do, considering your inability to match wits successfully.

To be sure, there is the potential for some really grotesque governments in the next century or two. That's exactly why we can't be complacent. Honestly, though, I believe that the greatest danger is in the influence of the multi-national corporations.

There *will* be a world government, unless you genocidal fascisti get your way. What isn't certain is the form and nature of that government.

The fascists are the globalists right now, pay attention. They're using corporate influence and cash to subvert the laws of nations. Internationalist fascism is what's happening now. The role of the left is to call people who disagree with the agenda names, like, nativist, nationalist, throwback, etc. You're playing right into their hands, you pathetic retard.

There will NOT be global government, ever.

 

[OrnotBitwise]

It will be a unification of coporate and government elites, running things for themselves. It will be a totalitarian global empire. What's your vision?

Yes. Mocking me is all you can do, considering your inability to match wits successfully.


The fascists are the globalists right now, pay attention. They're using corporate influence and cash to subvert the laws of nations. Internationalist fascism is what's happening now. The role of the left is to call people who disagree with the agenda names, like, nativist, nationalist, throwback, etc. You're playing right into their hands, you pathetic retard.

There will NOT be global government, ever.

Wrong, Guido. Now grab your ankles and take it like a man!

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaha!

I don't care about your childish fears and I don't care about your ignorant opinions. There will always be a few degenerates in society: I can't change that. You're evidently already ruined by your failed upbringing -- and your dimestore intellect -- and so aren't worth the time. Once fantasies like yours become cast in stone it takes more patience than I have to chisel through them.

No one is ever going to take this nonsense seriously, kid. You need to either grow up or at least learn to put a less strident coating on it.

 

[Litmus]

Wrong, Guido. Now grab your ankles and take it like a man!

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaha!

I don't care about your childish fears and I don't care about your ignorant opinions. There will always be a few degenerates in society: I can't change that. You're evidently already ruined by your failed upbringing -- and your dimestore intellect -- and so aren't worth the time. Once fantasies like yours become cast in stone it takes more patience than I have to chisel through them.

No one is ever going to take this nonsense seriously, kid. You need to either grow up or at least learn to put a less strident coating on it.

My fears are warranted and my opinions shared by an increasing number of well informed citizens. I shall disregard your brainwashed nihilist idiocy, and your dishonest presentation of your poorly thought out conclusions as "the only way".

You never could explain how maintaining national sovereignty necessitates population reduction. Some correlations between population and centralization from the past A) are not causal and B) don't mean the same must be repeated. And centralizing the government of a nation is NOT destroying it's sovereignty and subjugating it to the whims of centralized global planners with no stake in the well being of the people.

I know you fully believe in the New World Order, and that it will be a "good thing". From my perspective, you a brainwashed idiot who's destroyed your own mind with your ceaseless rationalizations to justify horror.

 

[Litmus]

Wrong, Guido. Now grab your ankles and take it like a man!

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaha!

I don't care about your childish fears and I don't care about your ignorant opinions. There will always be a few degenerates in society: I can't change that. You're evidently already ruined by your failed upbringing -- and your dimestore intellect -- and so aren't worth the time. Once fantasies like yours become cast in stone it takes more patience than I have to chisel through them.

No one is ever going to take this nonsense seriously, kid. You need to either grow up or at least learn to put a less strident coating on it.

My fears are warranted and my opinions shared by an increasing number of well informed citizens. I shall disregard your brainwashed nihilist idiocy, and your dishonest presentation of your poorly thought out conclusions as "the only way".

You never could explain how maintaining national sovereignty necessitates population reduction. Some correlations between population and centralization from the past A) are not causal and B) don't mean the same must be repeated. And centralizing the government of a nation is NOT destroying it's sovereignty and subjugating it to the whims of centralized global planners with no stake in the well being of the people.

I know you fully believe in the New World Order, and that it will be a "good thing". From my perspective, you're a brainwashed idiot who's destroyed your own mind with your ceaseless rationalizations to justify horror.

 

[blackascoal]

Gods, but you are predictable. You're going to have people really believing that you are my troll persona if you keep dropping your pants in public like this: I couldn't have asked for an easier target.

You are the one who insists that the only possible successor to the nation-state is some nightmarish, totalitarian regime. Let's work on that first, shall we? I mean, that is the entire basis for your infantile clinging to national sovereignty, is it not?

Do you deny that population density is rising far faster now than at any time in history?

Do you deny that increasing population density has always been accompanied, up to this time, by increasing centralization of government and political power?

Do you deny that multi-national corporations are even now, today, able to avoid the laws of any one nation more-or-less at will?

Your problem is that you have this obsession with The New World Order, which you conceive of as an inevitability should national sovereignty dissolve. The trouble is that you've watched too many episodes of The X-Files.

A most excellent post.

 

[blackascoal]

So who will dictate what's good for society? Elitist statist technocrats?

That would make for a far better outcome than a crumpled old paranoid academian afraid of the 21st Century or his drug-induced flower children.

 

[IHateGovernment]

Odd I would expect an elitist statist technocrat to be a crumpled old academian.

 

[Litmus]

That would make for a far better outcome than a crumpled old paranoid academian afraid of the 21st Century or his drug-induced flower children.

WHo are you talking about?

 

[uscitizen]

good question. I got lost there somewhere too.

 

[OrnotBitwise]

good question. I got lost there somewhere too.

Ron Paul. I'd say that BAC is definitely not a fan.

 

[uscitizen]

Ron Paul. I'd say that BAC is definitely not a fan.

I would think not. The guy would scare me if he was a real threat.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Of course, over time I had begun to realize that the ultimate effect of completely free trade would be that those who had less and less labour regulations would win out on the global market. Then, I assume, governments around the world would be forced to start giving to corporations to make sure any come to their countries and produce jobs, much as states do today, effectively making their citizens into slaves to a degree by forcing them to work for that corporation through taxation.

Democracy could control this to a degree, as the people of democracies would start voting down this stuff once it got to agregious. This would give totalitarian nations a slight advantage on the global market, as they could do much more atrocious things with support of much less of the population, as long as they were effectively watched and kept control of.

What we would be left with would be a world in which a lot was made, most of it would go to the rich, and although the common man would be a bit richer than he is now comparably he wouldn't be as happy and he'd have to do a hell of a lot of work to get it. This would be in the democracies.

I'm not sure what the extent of this would be. Modern US states, for instance, never went comletely down this road, but they do obviously give a lot to corporations and favour them over the common citizen. I fear that this effect would be much greater if all the actual nations in the world were under it.

The only answer would be to keep restrictions up, or to establish a world government with the power to regulate interstate trade to a limited extent and provide universal labour regulations and such. I'd find the second option to be preferable.

 

[uscitizen]

On a smaller scale, Europe has already gone thru this transition.

 

[blackascoal]

Ron Paul. I'd say that BAC is definitely not a fan.

Ron Paul indeed.

 

[OrnotBitwise]

Of course, over time I had begun to realize that the ultimate effect of completely free trade would be that those who had less and less labour regulations would win out on the global market. Then, I assume, governments around the world would be forced to start giving to corporations to make sure any come to their countries and produce jobs, much as states do today, effectively making their citizens into slaves to a degree by forcing them to work for that corporation through taxation.

Democracy could control this to a degree, as the people of democracies would start voting down this stuff once it got to agregious. This would give totalitarian nations a slight advantage on the global market, as they could do much more atrocious things with support of much less of the population, as long as they were effectively watched and kept control of.

What we would be left with would be a world in which a lot was made, most of it would go to the rich, and although the common man would be a bit richer than he is now comparably he wouldn't be as happy and he'd have to do a hell of a lot of work to get it. This would be in the democracies.

I'm not sure what the extent of this would be. Modern US states, for instance, never went comletely down this road, but they do obviously give a lot to corporations and favour them over the common citizen. I fear that this effect would be much greater if all the actual nations in the world were under it.

The only answer would be to keep restrictions up, or to establish a world government with the power to regulate interstate trade to a limited extent and provide universal labour regulations and such. I'd find the second option to be preferable.

Almost exactly the same conclusion I've come to. It's not that I think a world government would bring about a workers' paradise on Earth. Far from it. I just don't see any realistic alternative that isn't vastly worse.

As you suggest, we'll muddle through. Any such bureaucracy will be immensely inefficient, naturally. I fear it less than I fear the far more efficient and far less transparent multi-national corporation.

 

[Litmus]

Almost exactly the same conclusion I've come to. It's not that I think a world government would bring about a workers' paradise on Earth. Far from it. I just don't see any realistic alternative that isn't vastly worse.

As you suggest, we'll muddle through. Any such bureaucracy will be immensely inefficient, naturally. I fear it less than I fear the far more efficient and far less transparent multi-national corporation.

The realistic alternative is keeping the sovereignty of nations, and passing national laws against slave labor goods. The flaw in your thinking is believing that global governance won't be corrupt.

 

[Litmus]

Of course, over time I had begun to realize that the ultimate effect of completely free trade would be that those who had less and less labour regulations would win out on the global market. Then, I assume, governments around the world would be forced to start giving to corporations to make sure any come to their countries and produce jobs, much as states do today, effectively making their citizens into slaves to a degree by forcing them to work for that corporation through taxation.

Democracy could control this to a degree, as the people of democracies would start voting down this stuff once it got to agregious. This would give totalitarian nations a slight advantage on the global market, as they could do much more atrocious things with support of much less of the population, as long as they were effectively watched and kept control of.

What we would be left with would be a world in which a lot was made, most of it would go to the rich, and although the common man would be a bit richer than he is now comparably he wouldn't be as happy and he'd have to do a hell of a lot of work to get it. This would be in the democracies.

I'm not sure what the extent of this would be. Modern US states, for instance, never went comletely down this road, but they do obviously give a lot to corporations and favour them over the common citizen. I fear that this effect would be much greater if all the actual nations in the world were under it.

The only answer would be to keep restrictions up, or to establish a world government with the power to regulate interstate trade to a limited extent and provide universal labour regulations and such. I'd find the second option to be preferable.

The second option is complete foolishness. you're assuming this new global governent won't be corrupt. It will be, considering those creating it are the internationalist corporate fascists themselves.