Has anybody noticed?

countryboy said:
Yes, they can. Mueller is not one of those people. He let this investigation drag on for two years, knowing full well the whole thing was an elaborate hoax.
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Can you prove that, or is it just more right wing bull shit?

How many years did your repugnant ones "investigate" Obama, and the Clintons, and how many more years do they want to "investigate" even after it has been proven that there is nothing there?

You hypocrites on the right sure whine a lot. Well, you are well known for your "snowflake" mentalities.
 
Robo said:
Please define "conservative!" Mueller is a Bush neocon Never Trumper! that's hardly any different from a rabid mad dog Democrat! Are you intelligent?
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Obviously he is more intelligent then you. Then again, so is my dog, and he is dead.Trump is nothing but a right wing nationalist popuilst, and no where near a "conservative". Just a lying coward like the rest of his sycophant followers.
 
Old Fapper said:
Can you prove that, or is it just more right wing bull shit?

How many years did your repugnant ones "investigate" Obama, and the Clintons, and how many more years do they want to "investigate" even after it has been proven that there is nothing there?

You hypocrites on the right sure whine a lot. Well, you are well known for your "snowflake" mentalities.
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Mueller has already proven it. No collusion, no obstruction, no indictments.
 
Grumpy said:
Let me ask you how much classified material have you handled or created. I told you the originator of classified material is also the declassifying official.
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The law, or EO, says differently. Can you read, or are you just too fucking stupid as usual, to bother with it?

But it seems you are too stupid to understand that and want to make the president the only classifying official.
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Again showing your lack of knowledge, and ability to read. What I said was that the President had the power to classify, or declassify, information. Never said he was the sole party to be able too.

But, as is usual, when desperation hits your sorry ass you will just lie, and then lie some more.

Read the fucking law idiot, and then show us just how fucking stuoid you are:

Sec. 1.2 Classification Authority.

(a) Top Secret. The authority to classify information originally as
Top Secret may be exercised only by:

(1) the President; (2) agency heads and officials designated by the
President in the Federal Register; and (3) officials delegated this
authority pursuant to Section 1.2(d). (b) Secret. The authority to
classify information originally as Secret may be exercised only by: (1)
agency heads and officials designated by the President in the Federal
Register; (2) officials with original Top Secret classification
authority; and (3) officials delegated such authority pursuant to
Section 1.2(d). (c) Confidential. The authority to classify
information originally as Confidential may be exercised only by: (1)
agency heads and officials designated by the President in the Federal
Register; (2) officials with original Top Secret or Secret
classification authority; and (3) officials delegated such authority
pursuant to Section 1.2(d). (d) Delegation of Original Classification
Authority. (1) Delegations of original classification authority shall
be limited to the minimum required to administer this Order. Agency
heads are responsible for ensuring that designated subordinate officials
have a demonstrable and continuing need to exercise this authority. (2)
Original Top Secret classification authority may be delegated only by
the President; an agency head or official designated pursuant to Section
1.2(a)(2); and the senior official designated under Section 5.3(a)(1),
[FN1] provided that official has been delegated original Top Secret
classification authority by the agency head. (3) Original Secret
classification authority may be delegated only by the President; an
agency head or official designated pursuant to Sections 1.2(a)(2) and
1.2(b)(1); an official with original Top Secret classification
authority; and the senior official designated under Section 5.3(a)(1),
[FN1] provided that official has been delegated original Secret
classification authority by the agency head. (4) Original Confidential
classification authority may be delegated only by the President; an
agency head or official designated pursuant to Sections 1.2(a)(2),
1.2(b)(1) and 1.2(c)(1); an official with original Top Secret
classification authority; and the senior official designated under
Section 5.3(a)(1), [FN1] provided that official has been delegated
original classification authority by the agency head. (5) Each
delegation of original classification authority shall be in writing and
the authority shall not be redelegated except as provided in this Order.
It shall identify the official delegated the authority by name or
position title. Delegated classification authority includes the
authority to classify information at the level granted and lower levels
of classification. (e) Exceptional Cases. When an employee,
contractor, licensee, or grantee of an agency that does not have
original classification authority originates information believed by
that person to require classification, the information shall be
protected in a manner consistent with this Order and its implementing
directives. The information shall be transmitted promptly as provided
under this Order or its implementing directives to the agency that has
appropriate subject matter interest and classification authority with
respect to this information. That agency shall decide within thirty
(30) days whether to classify this information. If it is not clear
which agency has classification responsibility for this information, it
shall be sent to the Director of the Information Security Oversight
Office. The Director shall determine the agency having primary subject
matter interest and forward the information, with appropriate
recommendations, to that agency for a classification determination.
 
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Old Trapper said:
The law, or EO, says differently. Can you read, or are you just too fucking stupid as usual, to bother with it?



Again showing your lack of knowledge, and ability to read. What I said was that the President had the power to classify, or declassify, information. Never said he was the sole party to be able too.

But, as is usual, when desperation hits your sorry ass you will just lie, and then lie some more.

Read the fucking law idiot, and then show us just how fucking stuoid you are:
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I see you refused to answer my question! So I can only assume that you base your argument on an E.O. you have never worked under nor understand it's meaning! I fuck head spent 24 years dealing with classified and I was also a classifying official. So I will try one more time to try to get you to understand the procedures. But somehow I believe you are too stupid to understand what you are reading!

The President Executive Order 13526

Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority.
(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President;
(2) agency heads and officials designated by the President; and
(3) United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph (c) of this section.
(b) Officials authorized to classify information at a specified level are also authorized to classify information at a lower level.
(c) Delegation of original classification authority.
(1) Delegations of original classification authority shall be limited to the minimum required to administer this order. Agency heads are responsible for ensuring that designated subordinate officials have a demonstrable and continuing need to exercise this authority.
(2) ‘‘Top Secret’’ original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, or an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section.
(3) ‘‘Secret’’ or ‘‘Confidential’’ original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section, or the senior agency official designated under section 5.4(d) of this order, provided that official has been delegated ‘‘Top Secret’’ original classification authority by the agency head.
(4) Each delegation of original classification authority shall be in writing and the authority shall not be redelegated except as provided in this order. Each delegation shall identify the official by name or position.
(5) Delegations of original classification authority shall be reported or made available by name or position to the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office.
(d) All original classification authorities must receive training in proper classification (including the avoidance of over-classification) and declassification as provided in this order and its implementing directives at least once a calendar year. Such training must include instruction on the proper safeguarding of classified information and on the sanctions in section 5.5 of this order that may be brought against an individual who fails to classify information properly or protect classified information from unauthorized disclosure. Original classification authorities who do not receive such mandatory training at least once within a calendar year shall have their classification authority suspended by the agency head or the senior agency official designated under section 5.4(d) of this order until such training has taken place. A waiver may be granted by the agency head, the deputy agency head, or the senior agency official if an individual is unable to receive such training due to unavoidable circumstances. Whenever a waiver is granted, the individual shall receive such training as soon as practicable.
(e) Exceptional cases. When an employee, government contractor, licensee, certificate holder, or grantee of an agency who does not have original classification authority originates information believed by that person to require classification, the information shall be protected in a manner consistent with this order and its implementing directives. The information shall be transmitted promptly as provided under this order or its implementing directives to the agency that has appropriate subject matter interest and classification authority with respect to this information. That agency shall decide within 30 days whether to classify this information.
Part 3 - Declassification and Downgrading
Sec. 3.1. Authority for Declassification. (a) Information shall be declassified as soon as it no longer meets the standards for classification under this order.
(b) Information shall be declassified or downgraded by:
(1) the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;
(2) the originator’s current successor in function, if that individual has original classification authority;
(3) a supervisory official of either the originator or his or her successor in function, if the supervisory official has original classification authority; or (4) officials delegated declassification authority in writing by the agency head or the senior agency official of the originating agency.
(c) The Director of National Intelligence (or, if delegated by the Director of National Intelligence, the Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence) may, with respect to the Intelligence Community, after consultation with the head of the originating Intelligence Community element or department, declassify, downgrade, or direct the declassification or downgrading of information or intelligence relating to intelligence sources, methods, or activities.
(d) It is presumed that information that continues to meet the classification requirements under this order requires continued protection. In some exceptional cases, however, the need to protect such information may be outweighed by the public interest in disclosure of the information, and in these cases the information should be declassified. When such questions arise, they shall be referred to the agency head or the senior agency official. That official will determine, as an exercise of discretion, whether the public interest in disclosure outweighs the damage to the national security that might reasonably be expected from disclosure. This provision does not:
(1) amplify or modify the substantive criteria or procedures for classification; or
(2) create any substantive or procedural rights subject to judicial review.
(e) If the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office determines that information is classified in violation of this order, the Director may require the information to be declassified by the agency that originated the classification. Any such decision by the Director may be appealed to the President through the National Security Advisor. The information shall remain classified pending a prompt decision on the appeal.
(f) The provisions of this section shall also apply to agencies that, under the terms of this order, do not have original classification authority, but had such authority under predecessor orders.
(g) No information may be excluded from declassification under section
3.3 of this order based solely on the type of document or record in which it is found. Rather, the classified information must be considered on the basis of its content.
(h) Classified nonrecord materials, including artifacts, shall be declassified as soon as they no longer meet the standards for classification under this order.
(i) When making decisions under sections 3.3, 3.4, and 3.5 of this order, agencies shall consider the final decisions of the Panel.
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The above is what I have said from the beginning but your liberal mindset won't allow you to grasp the concept because I'm a conservative. I bet you believe Hillary didn't break any laws having classified information on her private non secure email server.


Give it up fuck head you quote the E.O. but have no concept of what it means.
 
TTQ64 said:
NO the entire report should be released.

Muller is STILL a republican white male.

He's not to be trusted.
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You do understand the public has no right to see classified defense information. So your petty politics mean nothing.
 
Grumpy said:
The above is what I have said from the beginning but your liberal mindset won't allow you to grasp the concept because I'm a conservative.
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No, it is because you are a lying sack of shit that lacks the ability to understand anything. Like your gawd Trump you think you are "beautiful", and the smartest mind in the o=world;

Here is what you first d=said:

Grumpy See Post 8


The author of the information is the classifying officer and responsible for proper classification and markings.
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Now, prove you can read words beyond a simple syllable, and show us where the EO says such is the case.



I bet you believe Hillary didn't break any laws having classified information on her private non secure email server.
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When they prove she did I will believe it. Until then I could care less what some right wing dumb fuck says.

Give it up fuck head you quote the E.O. but have no concept of what it means.
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24 years, and you still don't know what the fuck you were doing :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :lies:
 
Old Trapper said:
No, it is because you are a lying sack of shit that lacks the ability to understand anything. Like your gawd Trump you think you are "beautiful", and the smartest mind in the o=world;

Here is what you first d=said:



Now, prove you can read words beyond a simple syllable, and show us where the EO says such is the case.





When they prove she did I will believe it. Until then I could care less what some right wing dumb fuck says.



24 years, and you still don't know what the fuck you were doing :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :lies:
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Ok Bozo you are the worlds expert on the classification and protection of classified information. I bow to your delusions and will go no further. It is a waste of time to explain the truth to knowitall Bozos like you. Gutten tag
 
Grumpy said:
You do understand the public has no right to see classified defense information. So your petty politics mean nothing.
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If that unelected racist bastard steve bannon can see it, so can anyone else.

dump and his racist supporters have made a mockery of the entire government administration and we will need to fumigate when white people wake up and kick their asses out of office.
 
Grumpy said:
The author of the information is the classifying officer and responsible for proper classification and markings.
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The president can classify or declassify anything. From the Supremes,On classifying...on national security ,classification primarily flows from the constitutional investment of the power of the president.
This argument occurred when Trump blabbed about secrets to Putin.
Trump can do what he wants about telling secrets..and he does.
 
Grumpy said:
I see you refused to answer my question! So I can only assume that you base your argument on an E.O. you have never worked under nor understand it's meaning! I fuck head spent 24 years dealing with classified and I was also a classifying official. So I will try one more time to try to get you to understand the procedures. But somehow I believe you are too stupid to understand what you are reading!




The above is what I have said from the beginning but your liberal mindset won't allow you to grasp the concept because I'm a conservative. I bet you believe Hillary didn't break any laws having classified information on her private non secure email server.


Give it up fuck head you quote the E.O. but have no concept of what it means.
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And Trump did not blab everything to Putin, nor does he run the government on twitter? Which you might have noticed is not particularly secure.
 
OT
I guess this is incorrect also.
"Exceptional cases. When an employee, government contractor, licensee, certificate holder, or grantee of an agency who does not have original classification authority originates information believed by that person to require classification, the information shall be protected in a manner consistent with this order and its implementing directives. The information shall be transmitted promptly as provided under this order or its implementing directives to the agency that has appropriate subject matter interest and classification authority with respect to this information. That agency shall decide within 30 days whether to classify this information."
That is the exception to post #8 but hell why tell you, you are God's gift to the security world.
 
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