Hawaii's New Governor Takes Up the Fight Against Birthers

USFREEDOM911 said:
If you're insinuating that I'm a "birther", you seriously need to reconsider your cognitive skills.
I don't care on way, or the other; but I was wondering why the Obamamites are rallied so much against it.
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Because its a simple matter that birth certificates are not public record out here. He's just giving you guys plenty of rope, and you're making quite nice use of it.
 
Beefy said:
Once you stop claiming the Obama is a citizen of kenya, even by proxy, I'll send you some nuts from Hilo Hatties. Until then, no nuts for you.
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Beefy said:
Because its a simple matter that birth certificates are not public record out here. He's just giving you guys plenty of rope, and you're making quite nice use of it.
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You keep throwing "you guys" out there, like I'm somehow demanding that Obama do anything about this.

Why are you worried that something will be revealed, if he does produce the document?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
You keep throwing "you guys" out there, like I'm somehow demanding that Obama do anything about this.

Why are you worried that something will be revealed, if he does produce the document?
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I'm just doing that to needle you. I'm not really worried because I don't care either way. I'm satisfied. Its you people who are running around claiming he's a Kenyan.
 
Yurt said:
the contents moron, i've answered this already....do keep up, you're boring me
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What contents are in dispute?

Yurt said:
you're an idiot...i said according to the FRE...the original is the best, if the state doesn't want to let out a copy, they can PHOTOGRAPH the original and that is better evidence than the electronic copy....

a copy of the original is the best evidence here, as i doubt hawaii would let the original out of the office...thus, the FRE is met
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No, only the original satisfies the best evidence rule. The original is the best evidence. That's the best evidence rule. A copy of the original is not the best evidence.

Yurt said:
you're just plain making a fool out of yourself tonight and have to completely distort what i said in order to "try" and not drown

i notice you once again IGNORE the PRIMA FACIE issue and i noticed you failed to admit you fucked up by misquoting the hawaii law
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I didn't misquote anything. I quoted the statute referenced on the document itself for the proposition that the copy is prima facie evidence.

Yurt said:
like i said, you're boring me, have a good night arguing nonsense and distorting my words
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I am not distorting anything. I'm just calling bullshit on the relentless stream of nonsense you're peddling.



Edit: And FRE 1005 applies here, not 1002.
 
Beefy said:
I'm just doing that to needle you. I'm not really worried because I don't care either way. I'm satisfied. Its you people who are running around claiming he's a Kenyan.
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You seem to be concerned that something will be revealed, that is going to put Obama in a bad light, if the original is presented.
Why is that and what are you concerned about?
 
NigelTufnel said:
What contents are in dispute?



No, only the original satisfies the best evidence rule. The original is the best evidence. That's the best evidence rule. A copy of the original is not the best evidence.



I didn't misquote anything. I quoted the statute referenced on the document itself for the proposition that the copy is prima facie evidence.



I am not distorting anything. I'm just calling bullshit on the relentless stream of nonsense you're peddling.



Edit: And FRE 1005 applies here, not 1002.
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Rule 1005. Public Records

The contents of an official record, or of a document authorized to be recorded or filed and actually recorded or filed, including data compilations in any form, if otherwise admissible, may be proved by copy, certified as correct in accordance with rule 902 or testified to be correct by a witness who has compared it with the original. If a copy which complies with the foregoing cannot be obtained by the exercise of reasonable diligence, then other evidence of the contents may be given.
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so, like i said, if hawaii doesn't want to give out the original, it MAY be proved by a copy....a copy of the original you ignorant tard
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
You seem to be concerned that something will be revealed, that is going to put Obama in a bad light, if the original is presented.
Why is that and what are you concerned about?
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You kidding? That fool doesn't need me to put him in a bad light. His ass has been doing just fine without any help.

I'm just tired of this lame shit being tossed around.
 
Beefy said:
You kidding? That fool doesn't need me to put him in a bad light. His ass has been doing just fine without any help.

I'm just tired of this lame shit being tossed around.
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But what are you worried that might be revealed, if the original is produced?
 
Onceler said:
You still don't sound anything like a birther. You just care about the truth.

Really.
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oh look who showed up and didn't address anything of substance in my post and just started spouting lies....weird how you do that all the time...

Yurt said:
it is unfortunate that they feel mocking me makes their point. tbo, i see it more and more in other threads. when i present facts, i'm told i'm retarded or whatnot or the "nitpicky" stance....how dare i find something in someone's source that says they're wrong as i'm just being nitpicky.

in this instance, their mockery is exactly what i was talking about when i say the fault lies all around. i believe obama is a citizen and qualified, however, the left repeatedly makes false claims regarding what obama has shown...and then they mock those who don't believe obama eligible for they're lack of the truth or facts. that only fuels the conspiracy....why is the left producing lies they wonder....a lefty in this very thread after being shown that certification is not the certificate used the "nitpicky" defense and the retard claim....and they wonder why people believe obama and the left is hiding somethign

you get the picture
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keep up the lies onceler, even beefy backed off, but we know you never will, you're like a bulldog, once you get a hold of that lie, nothing will shake you from it

there are many more posts like the above, but don't worry, i don't expect truth from you
 
Yurt said:
so, like i said, if hawaii doesn't want to give out the original, it MAY be proved by a copy....a copy of the original you ignorant tard
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No. The document produced is a copy per the Hawaii law I quoted.

Edit: Here it is again.

The department of health is authorized to prepare typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies of any records and files in its office, which by reason of age, usage, or otherwise are in such condition that they can no longer be conveniently consulted or used without danger of serious injury or destruction thereof, and to certify to the correctness of such copies. The typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies shall be competent evidence in all courts of the State with like force and effect as the original.
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NigelTufnel said:
No. The document produced is a copy per the Hawaii law I quoted.
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piss off nigel, i've already shown you why that rule does not apply....since you're obviously retarded, i guess i have to REPEAT myself for you

The department of health is authorized to prepare typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies of any records and files in its office, which by reason of age, usage, or otherwise are in such condition that they can no longer be conveniently consulted or used without danger of serious injury or destruction thereof, and to certify to the correctness of such copies. The typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies shall be competent evidence in all courts of the State with like force and effect as the original.
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i highly doubt obama's is in that condition, and you have zero support that it is, thus that particular rule does not apply here....for the FRE it has to be a copy of the original you fucking moron
 
Yurt said:
cute....yeah, you weren't calling me a birther at all...

your bullshit is so childish its comical you think anyone buys it
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Oh, you're definitely a birther.

I thought you were talking about the "truth" part, because that made more sense.
 
Onceler said:
Oh, you're definitely a birther.

I thought you were talking about the "truth" part, because that made more sense.
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see...you will continue the lie despite that i have repeatedly said and say again obama was in fact born in hawaii and is in fact eligible

you're "psychotic" like that and i'm done proving you're a liar on the issue
 
Yurt said:
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piss off nigel, i've already shown you why that rule does not apply....since you're obviously retarded, i guess i have to REPEAT myself for you



i highly doubt obama's is in that condition, and you have zero support that it is, thus that particular rule does not apply here....for the FRE it has to be a copy of the original you fucking moron
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Your doubts are groundless. The fact that the entity in possession of the document produced a typewritten copy which referenced this particular statute shows that the statute does indeed apply. And for the FRE, such a copy is perfectly kosher.


Edit: By the by, which particular contents of Obama's birth certificate are in question? You haven't answered that one.
 
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NigelTufnel said:
Your doubts are groundless. The fact that the entity in possession of the document produced a typewritten copy which referenced this particular statute shows that the statute does indeed apply. And for the FRE, such a copy is perfectly kosher.
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So; what are you afraid of, that might be revealed, if the original is produced?
 
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