DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
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It is quite unprecedented for a new President to be addressing Congress in this fashion. Yeah, not quite the norm. Even the need for such an action shows that this horse is nearly already dead... I don't think whipping it some more is going to make it live again either.
When did this involve race?I disagree, I guess you could call it unprecidented for a black president to be addressing congress this way also... but thats not the relevant part.
When he started realizing he had nothing, that's when they bring up that he's black as if that had anything to do with the price of rice in China.When did this involve race?
I think making an unprecedented appearance before both houses to drum up support is a sign of desperation.
Are you all saying we are not going to get healthcare reform in any shape or size?
Necessity. If his plan is to have any hope he must do some serious CPR to bring it back into life. It isn't bravery to desperately try to revive failing legislation that you had already urged people to vote on before it was ever debated.Bravery? Strategy?
When did this involve race?
Why?When it involved a new president.
Why?
No. You will have to explain your own logic.You will have to look above at Damo's logic...
This early in a President's term it is unprecedented for them to need to appear before a joint session in this manner, usually their popularity carries their first large legislation, even Bush was able to pass the Pill Bill and other "reform" that normally wouldn't pass with the Congress he had.. This honeymoon is ending quickly.Ok, jeesh...
Damo said it was unprecidented for a "new" president to address a joint session of congress.
I compared that to my statement that it was also unprecidented for a black president to address a joint session of congress.
My point is that him being a "new" president is illrelevant, just like him being a "black" president is illrelevant and thus it does not make it unprecidented for the purpose of the point we were discussing.
This early in a President's term it is unprecedented for them to appear before a joint session in this manner, usually their popularity carries their first large legislation, even Bush was able to pass the Pill Bill and other "reform" that normally wouldn't pass with the Congress he had..
You are just clueless as to what I mean so you make crap up that you want to argue. It's called the straw man fallacy, you seem to be more blatant at it daily.
I disagree, I guess you could call it unprecidented for a black president to be addressing congress this way also... but thats not the relevant part.
Why is it that whenever someone questions a move by Obama someone on the left spouts off about Obama being black????
Ah, well if that were the case I should have said "rare" rather than unprecedented, but in actuality Bill Clinton did it more than a year after he took office so... you are full of it.No, I was merely pointing out that its not unprecidented. Bill Clinton did it with health care also. Now you want to bring in that its early in his term... I just dont see why that is relevant. He is trying to pass something that has a LOT of special interests against it, its hard to do. The timing in his presidency is just about as relevant as him being black.