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[uscitizen]

I agree with you usc, but if he went to college with cawacko he is no kid. This is a man well into his 30's we are talking about.

My heart constricts when I think of the 17 and 18 year olds many of whom are talked into enlisting by methods that it would be ILLEGAL for a used car man to employ. I have been counter recruiting, and I do it in high schools in low income areas, and to a kid they tell me, but the recruiter told me I wouldn't go to Iraq. The easist targets seem to be latinos. I think personally that they are more inclined to feel as if they have to "prove their patriotism" mostly because of these anti-immigrant attacks. Second are poor whites, looking for a way out. Last are black kids. They don't feel any need to prove their "patriotism" because they were born here, and they already know the government will fuck them over, and smile. They are the easiest to talk to. They tell you, yeah he told me I'm not going to Iraq, but you don't have to worry, I know I'm going to Iraq and there is no chance of me enlisting. And then you can at least have a good laugh with them, which by then you really need.

I was not really referring to the Cawacko aquaintance but the youngsters.
I can understand anyone who has been around cawacko too long wanting to enlist...

 

[Cypress]

Umm remember when we were younger how being called chicken or coward hit on most of us so hard. It is the same with our young now. Our armchair war pundits are pushing them to enlist to prove themselves...
traitor, surrender monkey, No surrender, fight em over there or over here.

Now I have no problem at all in actually defending our country, and do support all our young in uniform, except for a handful of nuts.
But it has been proven that Iraq had virtually if not absolutely nothing to do with the 911 attacks, but the pro war commercials give exactly the opposite impression....

Now if you want to be honest tell them they are fighting for oil for their cars...Let them make up their minds based on truth instead of lies.

well said. I totally concur. Defending the nation is one thing.

But If a president wants to fight for oil, or whatever, be honest and let people decide if they want to volunteer to possibly die for that.