Here's why the soft civil war will go hot...

[Into the Night]

That's the funny thing about alternative timelines: There's no guarantee that Hitler would have existed as more than a failed painter and ex-soldier in a world with a US and a CSA. Without the US intact, Wilson probably wouldn't have sent the large army he had to WWI and pushed the war in favor of the Allies. If that didn't happen, then the Treaty of Versailles wouldn't happen. The war could have gone on for another 5 years or simply ended in stalemate and a peace treaty. No Hitler.

WWII was really WWI Part Deux because of the Versailles Treaty.

FWIW, I think by the 20th Century enough Americans would be pushing for reunification of the States, especially if slavery had been overtaken by machinery and finally abolished by Southern Christians themselves.

Also, who is to say the CSA wouldn't have allied against Hitler anyway?

Your history is dead on, sir. The disaster of the Treaty of Versailles caused WW2.

 

[Walt]

America is not a government. It is a continent.

North America, and South America are continents, but America is not a continent. America is a nationality, and the USA is our government.

Or do you believe Mexicans are Americans?

 

[Into the Night]

Of course you do. That's what all Yankees are taught. They're also taught the war was about slavery and only about slavery and that Lincoln freed all the slaves with the Emancipation Proclamation.

And yet another example of the distortion of history in schools.

 

[Into the Night]

But you are putting words in my mouth.

Lie, dumbass. Your words are YOUR words. You cannot blame someone else for them.

I actually have recent posts here articulating who I think deserves moral credit for the abolition of slavery.

Irrelevant.

Being an independent nation requires international legitimacy.

WRONG. There is no such requirement, jackass. If that were true, the United States would not ever have existed.

No major country on the planet recognized the Confederate States of America as a nation,

Lie. Several major countries supported the Confederates, including England, France, and Mexico.

or sent ambassadors to Richmond.

ALL of them did, liar.

The Confederate leaders claimed to be a separate nation,

There WERE a separate nation. They seceded from the United States.

but the facts are that they were rebels engaging in insurrection against the United States.

Absolute lie, fucker. An insurrection in the United States is an attempt to overthrow the United States. No seceding State was attempting to over the United States.

And that gave Abraham Lincoln full authority under the U.S. constitution to use military force to suppress the insurrection.

Another absolute lie, fucker. There was no insurrection. Lincoln was maintaining troops in a foreign nation without that nation's permission. That is an act of war, liar.

 

[Into the Night]

And when slavery was abolished the southern Christians instituted Jim crow,

just look to the corner stone speech on slavery as to why the civil war

In his March 21, 1861, Cornerstone Speech, Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens presents what he believes are the reasons for what he termed was a "revolution." This revolution resulted in the American Civil War. Stephens's speech is remembered by many for its defense of slavery, its outlining of the perceived differences between the North and the South, and the racial rhetoric used to show the inferiority of African Americans. A few weeks after the speech, on April 12, 1861, Confederate forces fired on Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor, initiating the American Civil War.
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/cornerstone-speech

WRONG. The War of Secession (we have never had a civil war in the United States) was initiated by Lincoln keeping troops located and supplied in a foreign nation without that nation's permission.

 

[Into the Night]

They were in 1860, when supposedly married men were raping their slaves.

As opposed to northern men raping their kids? Fuck off, asshole. You bigotry is not welcome here.

The only people denying the Constitution were the states that seceded.

Lie. Stay on topic. YOU are denying the Constitution of the United States and national sovereignty. Secession is leaving the United States. These States then formed their own constitution under the confederacy. They did not deny that constitution.

America is a people.

Yes. It includes Canadians, U.S. citizens, Mexicans, Brazilians, Argentinians, Peruvians, Cubans, and citizens of several other nations in America.

It's what you call citizens of the US.

Arrogance. The United States is NOT America. It is IN America, but it is not the entirety of America.

I know we've already established that Confederates did not honour contracts,

Yes they did. There was no valid contract for U.S. troops to occupy a fort belonging to South Carolina as an independent nation. You are making shit up, fucker.

but, Ft Sumter was an American fort.

No, it wasn't. America does not own any forts. It is not a government. When South Caroline seceded, the U.S. no longer owned Ft. Sumter. That fort was owned by South Carolina.

 

[Into the Night]

So you are saying that Cuba should attack Gitmo?

Only if they want to ignore the treaty with the United States that establishes Gitmo in Cuban territory.

The fact is that the Confederacy committed an act of war.

So die the Union. So what?

Fort Sumter was legitimate

Define 'legitimate'.

and put there with the permission of South Carolina.

That agreement was dissolved at the moment of secession. There was no treaty with the United States to maintain troops there. South Carolina demanded those troops leave at once.

If they wanted a new agreement,

They didn't.

they should have discussed it.

They didn't want a new agreement.

Instead, they attacked the USA.

Because the USA was maintaining armed troops in a foreign nation without that nation's permission.

Why did the Confederacy attack the USA?

Because the USA was maintaining armed troops in a foreign nation without that nation's permission. How many more times you are going to ask this same question?

Many in the South did not want to leave the USA,

A lie, as evidenced by the States that did leave it. Why are you trying to deny what happened, jerk?

so the Confederacy needed a war to force people into picking sides.

They did not want war, liar.

The Confederacy was started to defend slavery,

Among other things, yes. They also wanted to defend property rights. The federal government was taking their property without due process, in violation of the 4th amendment. They decided to secede from the Union and form their own government under their own constitution. That changes nothing. They were a foreign nation at the time.

and it started the Civil War to defend slavery.

It did not start a civil war or the War of Secession. Lincoln did.

Those are just the facts.

Again, you use this buzzword word 'fact' as a proof or Universal Truth. It is neither. Go learn English, dumbass.

 

[Into the Night]

North America, and South America are continents, but America is not a continent. America is a nationality, and the USA is our government.

Or do you believe Mexicans are Americans?

Mexicans are Americans, dumbass. So are Canadians. I have already answered this question. RQAA. Stop making a moronic fool of yourself.

 

[Minister of Truth]

As opposed to northern men raping their kids? Fuck off, asshole. You bigotry is not welcome here.

Lie. Stay on topic. YOU are denying the Constitution of the United States and national sovereignty. Secession is leaving the United States. These States then formed their own constitution under the confederacy. They did not deny that constitution.

Yes. It includes Canadians, U.S. citizens, Mexicans, Brazilians, Argentinians, Peruvians, Cubans, and citizens of several other nations in America.

Arrogance. The United States is NOT America. It is IN America, but it is not the entirety of America.

Yes they did. There was no valid contract for U.S. troops to occupy a fort belonging to South Carolina as an independent nation. You are making shit up, fucker.

No, it wasn't. America does not own any forts. It is not a government. When South Caroline seceded, the U.S. no longer owned Ft. Sumter. That fort was owned by South Carolina.

DEMONYM


Also, Confederates obviously rejected THE Constitution by opting not to live under it. Establishing their own, inferior document does not change that.

Clearly, Confederates (and you) could not honour contracts since they attacked Ft Sumter like Indian givers.

Which region is better known for underage marriage and incest?

 

[Into the Night]

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Also, Confederates obviously rejected THE Constitution by opting not to live under it.

The Constitution of the United States is only one of many constitutions in this country. The seceding States rejected the United States (and thereby left the Constitution of the United States) and formed their own Constitution. There is NOTHING inferior about a constitution of a foreign nation just because it's a foreign nation. Bigotry.

Establishing their own, inferior document does not change that.

It is NOT inferior. Bigotry.

Clearly, Confederates (and you) could not honour contracts since they attacked Ft Sumter like Indian givers.

No contract. You still do not get this, moron.

Which region is better known for underage marriage and incest?

Irrelevant. Go stuff your bigotry where the sun don't shine and crawl in there after it. It is obvious that you hate the South. It is obvious that you are a bigot.

 

[Minister of Truth]

The Constitution of the United States is only one of many constitutions in this country. The seceding States rejected the United States (and thereby left the Constitution of the United States) and formed their own Constitution. There is NOTHING inferior about a constitution of a foreign nation just because it's a foreign nation. Bigotry.

It is NOT inferior. Bigotry.

No contract. You still do not get this, moron.

Irrelevant. Go stuff your bigotry where the sun don't shine and crawl in there after it. It is obvious that you hate the South. It is obvious that you are a bigot.

Everything about the CSA was inferior to America. The same goes for Nazi Germany and the USSR.

Also, you're the one who started using perverted sex as an attack. If you don't like it, you can go marry your cousin (although the contract would apparently be worthless, since you would refuse to honour it).