Here's why the soft civil war will go hot...

Chaz said:
Absolutely not. You do not capitulate to the likes of the CSA. History shows what happens when you appease a degenerate people such as that. America was right to hold onto its fort.
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Bigotry. Why are people living in southern States 'degenerate people'? Fuck you.

America is not a government. It is a continent. I have no more patience with you. Your continued denial of the United States and its constitution YOUR problem. The fort in question was NOT a U.S. fort. Fuck you.
 
Chaz said:
You have no conception of what a demonym is, just as you have no understanding of such basic things as sovereignty and contracts. Are you disappointed that slavery is no longer legal?
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Go stuff your semantics fallacies. Fuck you, liar. You have denied the Constitution of the United States. You have denied the sovereignty of a foreign nation. You deny the very thing you try to defend.
 
WitoldPilecki said:
Trump talks about postponing elections,
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Mostly in jest. You DO take things to seriously, don't you? Get a life, jerk.
WitoldPilecki said:
rigged elections,
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The Democrats ARE attempting to rig elections. They are the ones driving buses around filled with paid illegal Mexicans to vote for dead people using fake IDs. Mass mail in voting is unconstitutional in many States. Attempting to implement this is rigging the election.
WitoldPilecki said:
banning TikTok,
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Frankly, I don't give a damn about TikTok. I don't use it, I have no account there.
WitoldPilecki said:
fake news,
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Trump is correct on this, dumbass. CNN, MSNBC, the NY Times, the LA Times, the Associated Press, and many other 'mainstream' newspapers have been caught writing fiction and printing as news multiple times.
WitoldPilecki said:
and bringing in Authoritarian Federal Police in against state rights.
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The federal government has the right and the responsibility to protect their own federal buildings and property.

States have no right to ignore a republican form of government. Trump has the authority and the responsibility to insure that all States have a republican form of government. He has all the authority he needs and the responsibility to put down insurrections. See Articles II and IV of the Constitution of the United States. NO STATE has the right to support treason and insurrections against the federal government!

Since you deny the Constitution of the United States, and you deny the right of self defense, you can go fuck yourself.

WitoldPilecki said:
... Meanwhile, Nothing Conservative about Trump.
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Upholding the Constitution of the United States and the constitution of the State of my citizenship IS conservatism, dumbass. That is what Trump is doing, jerk.
 
Chaz said:
You can write all of the CSA propaganda that you wish.
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Not CSA propaganda, dumbass. It's history that YOU DENY, along with the Constitution of the United States and the sovereignty of a nation.
Chaz said:
In fact, the losers wrote the history of Reconstruction for well over a century.
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Another lie. Go fuck yourself.
Chaz said:
You just don't get to have thinking people agree with you.
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Another insult. Go fuck yourself.
 
Chaz said:
I've read about it a number of times. Here's one example.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/29/opinion/sunday/why-reconstruction-matters.html
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False authority fallacy, jerk. The New York fucking Times is fake news. They are NOT a history researcher. Opinion pieces by this rag is NOT accurate history. You have denied the Constitution of the United States. You have denied the sovereignty of a nation. YOU are writing propaganda. YOU are trying to change history. Go fuck yourself.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
No worries. Lots of people like conspiracy theories. They can be entertaining. My advice to everyone worried about a fascist government, a civil war or any destabilization of the US government is to buy a gun and learn how to use it.

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#24 should be #1
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
How can the CSA have wanted war if it was the War of Northern Aggression? Lincoln invaded Virginia. The vast majority of Civil War battles were with the Union invaders in Southern states. Lincoln himself wrote that he was fighting the war, not to end slavery, but to force the secessionist states back into the Union.

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Calling the Civil War by that term does not demonstrate loyalty to the United States of America.
 
Hello WitoldPilecki,

WitoldPilecki said:
Months ago I had some users tell me there was no chance of a Civil War, I wonder what they think now?
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The problem is we are so mixed. People of all views live in all States. There is no clear demarcation at which to draw the lines of battle.

Some kooks may decide to start shooting somewhere, and then law enforcement will move in to restore order. Anyone who thinks we are 'at a tipping point' and that 'all it takes is for the first bullets to fly' is sadly mistaken. Whomever starts shooting draws the attention of law enforcement, is dealt with, and the rest of the peaceful nation watches it on the news and/or talks about it on political chat boards.

Most Americans actually like their country and don't want to break it up. If they have complaints, they try to enact change through civil means.
 
Hello Tranquillus in Exile,

Tranquillus in Exile said:
On the brink of the Civil War, the question for officers like Lee was whether they would serve the Union or resign their commissions to serve their States.

This is different. For an armed insurrection to last more than a day or two, the military – in particular the officer corps – would have to remain neutral between a duly elected President and a rabble of Trumpsters, thereby violating their oath to defend the Constitution.

Does anyone think they would do that? And for what? TRUMP?
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Not a chance.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed on both the Civil War issue and that US officers are bound by the Constitution. Under that oath they are required to follow legal orders. They are required, under penalty of law, to disobey an unlawful order. At least after the Nuremberg Trials. So the question becomes, "Is it legal for the President to order Federal troops to attack a US city? To murder US citizens?"
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A slippery slope. The seceded States declared themselves Not part of the USA.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Attacking Fort Sumter was an act of war.
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Maybe. As Chaz pointed out, South Carolina was a different country and the Fort was on their territory. The Feds were given plenty of notice to leave.

Note that not all states seceded at once. Some didn't secede until after the fall of Fort Sumter, some after Lincoln invaded Virginia. Note that Virginia never attacked Fort Sumter, yet Lincoln attacked them anyway solely because they seceded. Invading a country is an act of war.

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Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Maybe. As Chaz pointed out, South Carolina was a different country and the Fort was on their territory. The Feds were given plenty of notice to leave.

Note that not all states seceded at once. Some didn't secede until after the fall of Fort Sumter, some after Lincoln invaded Virginia. Note that Virginia never attacked Fort Sumter, yet Lincoln attacked them anyway solely because they seceded. Invading a country is an act of war.

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Your own link: "began at Ft Sumter."

That was not "Northern aggression."
 
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