Hi all

[Scott]

Your Bernie love shows you might be missing the memo on why systems like socialism have tanked throughout history over and over with piles of bodies to prove it.

Socialism is a pretty broad term. From what I've seen, the U.S. has decided to be socialist with the rich in the form of things like bailouts and capitalist for the poor. I made a thread here recently that I think gets into this, as well as the fact that some of the original capitalists were a lot more socialist then people today think they were. It can be seen here:

Thread 'How the Global Majority can free itself from US financial colonialism | Michael Hudson'

Thursday at 2:59 PM

Just finished reading the article that shares the name of this thread by Michael Hudson, I thought it was very good. It can be seen here:

Michael Hudson: How the Global Majority can free itself from US financial colonialism

Economist Michael Hudson describes how China created an alternative to the Western neoliberal order, and how the Global South can challenge the rent extraction of US-centered financial colonialism.

www.geopoliticaleconomy.report

For those who'd like to know a bit more about the author before reading what he has to say, here's what's at the end of his article:
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Michael Hudson is president of the Institute for the Study of Long-Term Economic Trends (ISLET), a Wall Street financial analyst, and distinguished research professor of economics at the University of Missouri...

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• Forum: General Politics Forum

 

[Tobytone]

You pull rules out of your ass, Phanny.

I didn't dodge any questions from your previous post, I just didn't see any. Looking back at it, I now see that there was one. You get into this question again in this post though, and in a format I prefer, so I'll just answer it this time.



I think that biological women should have the option to not compete with biological men. I see that Trump agrees.

That’s not what Trump or anyone with common sense says or 'agrees with'. Here’s the correct sentence: I believe that biological men should never be able to compete in women’s sports and certainly should never be allowed in a girl's locker room. There’s no room for nuance here; it’s as black and white as anything can be. Do you agree?

The very idea that this was ever allowed is insanity and one of many reasons the Democratic Party is a disaster.

 

[Scott]

I think that biological women should have the option to not compete with biological men. I see that Trump agrees.

That’s not what Trump or anyone with common sense says or 'agrees with'.

Oh boy, semantics games -.- I grew tired of those in another forum I used to post in. Alright, I imagine you -will- agree with this headline:

Trump administration sues California over transgender athletes, putting billions of dollars at risk

The Trump administration sues California, threatening billions of dollars in education funding, over a policy allowing transgender athletes to compete in girls' and women's sports.

www.latimes.com

Looking at the above headline, I am reminded of how messy this issue is, as different government bodies, in this case federal and state, battle these things out.

Here’s the correct sentence: I believe that biological men should never be able to compete in women’s sports

Even if a given set of women want them to? I believe in choice here, not in obligation, regardless of what side of the fence you're on.

I believe that biological men should never be... allowed in a girl's locker room.

Your word choice is telling. Generally speaking, locker rooms are either for certain ages or all ages. Juxtaposing men with girls is generally done for dramatic effect. I've heard stories of trangender males and females having a hard time in schools and washrooms because of this notion that there is only a binary choice- you're either "male" or "female". While it's certainly true that most people are either -biologically- male or female, gender wise, it gets complicated. I've heard of transgender people not being welcome in either male -or- female washrooms because they don't look like their biological sex. As I've said elsewhere, I think the best solution is to create gender neutral bathrooms and locker rooms. It's already being done and I definitely think that's a good thing.

 

[Tobytone]

Sure, but I think we should be clear on what I consider to be illegal aliens. To whit:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83LPlgKwlQ0&ab_channel=BingeSociety

Unless you’ve got a genuine learning disability, this is dead simple. Language falls apart if everyone gets to pick and choose what words mean, that’s why we have definitions. The U.S. criminal and immigration code, passed by a duly elected Congress and signed into law by the President, spells it out crystal clear.

Your personal take on what an “illegal alien” is? Utterly irrelevant. Sorry, but this is just another grating habit of the left, thinking “their truth” somehow overrides reality. Newsflash: it doesn’t. The real world runs on clearly defined terms, not your feelings or what you’d like “illegal immigration” to mean.

The actual, legitimate answer is in 8 U.S. Code § 1101, under definitions. I can also point you to the oath law enforcement officers take and what it requires them to do, it’s all laid out plain as day. They can't decide what laws 'mean' to them either, they're required to enforce the law as written not imagined.

 

[Tobytone]

Socialism is a pretty broad term. From what I've seen, the U.S. has decided to be socialist with the rich in the form of things like bailouts and capitalist for the poor. I made a thread here recently that I think gets into this, as well as the fact that some of the original capitalists were a lot more socialist then people today think they were. It can be seen here:

Thread 'How the Global Majority can free itself from US financial colonialism | Michael Hudson'

Thursday at 2:59 PM

Just finished reading the article that shares the name of this thread by Michael Hudson, I thought it was very good. It can be seen here:

Michael Hudson: How the Global Majority can free itself from US financial colonialism

Economist Michael Hudson describes how China created an alternative to the Western neoliberal order, and how the Global South can challenge the rent extraction of US-centered financial colonialism.

www.geopoliticaleconomy.report

For those who'd like to know a bit more about the author before reading what he has to say, here's what's at the end of his article:
**
Michael Hudson is president of the Institute for the Study of Long-Term Economic Trends (ISLET), a Wall Street financial analyst, and distinguished research professor of economics at the University of Missouri...

• Scott
• europe free trade geopolitical economy report global majority michael hudson natural monopolies rental income united states
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• Forum: General Politics Forum

Now, you’re tossing around some made-up version of socialism. No need for that. The twentieth century’s littered with examples of socialist systems, and their track record’s grim, racking up roughly 100 million deaths. The definition isn’t some puzzle.

Call a bailout a bailout. That’s how words work. You seem to have a strong urge to slap new meanings on old terms. Either coin your own word, find the correct word, and stick to the actual definition. Just trying to be helpful.

 

[TravisBickle]

6 pages of posts exposing all the neuroses of forum member and the newbie has not made one comment in this thread.

What a bunch of post whores.

 

[Scott]

Sure, but I think we should be clear on what I consider to be illegal aliens. To whit:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83LPlgKwlQ0&ab_channel=BingeSociety

Unless you’ve got a genuine learning disability, this is dead simple. Language falls apart if everyone gets to pick and choose what words mean, that’s why we have definitions. The U.S. criminal and immigration code, passed by a duly elected Congress and signed into law by the President, spells it out crystal clear.

There's a line about the law from Frank Herbert, author of the Dune series of books that I think bears mentioning here:
"Law always chooses sides on the basis of enforcement power. Morality and legal niceties have little to do with it when the real question is: Who has the clout?"

I'm sure you'd agree that the Nazis did some very evil things, though technically many of those things were quite lawful in their country. That's what happens when someone like Hitler is a country's leader.

Some very evil things have certainly been done in the name of "protecting" people from unauthorized migrants. I've already made some threads here that get into stories of this nature. Here's a few:

Thread 'ICE Killed Her Father. Now She's Speaking Out | Dissent in Bloom'

Jul 10, 2025

I haven't read the whole article from which this article gets its name. I think reading the title alone was more than enough, but I did read a bit further than that. Quoting the introduction and the part where Jazzmin's father died:

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ICE didn’t start abusing immigrants when Trump took office. No, this brutality has been unfolding for years, with the only change being its escalation. ICE’s violence, its indifference to human suffering, its utter disregard for the rights and lives of those it ensnares.. this is nothing new. It’s systemic, entrenched, and devastating. For decades, ICE...

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Thread 'An ‘Administrative Error’ Sends a Maryland Father to a Salvadoran Prison | The Atlantic'

Apr 1, 2025

The article is partially paywalled, but I felt there's enough that's free to be worth posting about it. Quoting from the introduction of the article:
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The Trump administration acknowledged in a court filing Monday that it had grabbed a Maryland father with protected legal status and mistakenly deported him to El Salvador, but said that U.S. courts lack jurisdiction to order his return from the megaprison where he’s now locked up.

The case appears to be the first time the Trump administration has admitted to errors when it sent three planeloads of Salvadoran and Venezuelan...

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• Forum: Current Events Forum

Thread 'Federal Agents Spray Tear Gas at Protesters, Children During ICE Raids at California Farms | Common Dreams'

Jul 12, 2025

Hard for me to read this type of thing, but it looks like some here really need a lesson on what ICE is doing, so here goes...

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"ICE was conducting a raid using disproportionate displays of force against local farmworkers and our agricultural community," said U.S. Rep. Salud Carbajal, who was denied entry to one farm where he was attempting to provide oversight.

By Julia Conley

Jul 11, 2025

[snip]

U.S. Rep. Salud Carbajal (D-Calif.), who represents Santa Barbara County and part of Ventura County, released a statement condemning the ICE raid and saying he had been...

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Thread 'Trump Ordered to Stand Down by Federal Judge, Stop Warrantless Immigration Arrests | Los Angeles Magazine'

Jul 12, 2025

I imagine the increasingly violent actions of ICE may have had something to do with it. Quoting the introduction and conclusion of the article that shares the name of this thread:
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The Department of Homeland Security was ordered to stop making arrests in southern California without probable cause on the same day a farm worker died after an ICE raid

Michele McPhee

The Trump administration has been ordered by a federal judge to halt any and all indiscriminate arrests in seven California counties, including Los Angeles, that a lawsuit argued targeted people for warrantless...

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• department of homeland security farm worker death ice los angeles magazine michele mcphee pete hegseth southern california trump u.s. district judge maame ewusi-mensah frimpong unauthorized immigration
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• Forum: General Politics Forum

 

[Tobytone]

Oh boy, semantics games -.- I grew tired of those in another forum I used to post in. Alright, I imagine you -will- agree with this headline:

Trump administration sues California over transgender athletes, putting billions of dollars at risk

The Trump administration sues California, threatening billions of dollars in education funding, over a policy allowing transgender athletes to compete in girls' and women's sports.

www.latimes.com

Looking at the above headline, I am reminded of how messy this issue is, as different government bodies, in this case federal and state, battle these things out.



Even if a given set of women want them to? I believe in choice here, not in obligation, regardless of what side of the fence you're on.



Your word choice is telling. Generally speaking, locker rooms are either for certain ages or all ages. Juxtaposing men with girls is generally done for dramatic effect. I've heard stories of trangender males and females having a hard time in schools and washrooms because of this notion that there is only a binary choice- you're either "male" or "female". While it's certainly true that most people are either -biologically- male or female, gender wise, it gets complicated. I've heard of transgender people not being welcome in either male -or- female washrooms because they don't look like their biological sex. As I've said elsewhere, I think the best solution is to create gender neutral bathrooms and locker rooms. It's already being done and I definitely think that's a good thing.

I’m sorry, I’m slogging through your comments as much as you’re probably grimacing at mine. From where I stand, you’re spouting pure radical libtard drivel, the same tired, predictable lines I’ve heard and debated for years. You're so rote, I’m forced to put you firmly in the libtard drone column.

And yes, I back that headline, just like 80% of the population does. Being transgender doesn’t give you a free pass to steamroll others’ rights just because you’re wrestling with mental illness. You want to identify as a different sex? Fine, that’s your call. But you don’t get to force your beliefs on others, hijacking what women fought hard for and thought they’d secured, until libtards decided to champion whatever group they deem more oppressed, shoving women aside. It’s only a matter of time before some new trendy identity bumps them down the oppression ladder. It’s pure insanity, period.

And newsflash: the feds tie strings to every dollar they dish out. They’ve had states on a leash for ages, pumping money with conditions attached. Universities and schools have been dancing to the federal tune ever since they started pocketing that cash.

Countless mandates come with those millions and billions, ones I’ve never agreed with. This is no different, except it’s the first one I and a massive majority of voters actually support. Men competing in women’s sports? It’s insanity and a slap in the face to every girl and woman out there competing.

Anyway, I’ve heard your spiel so many times before, and I’ll hear it again. It’s boring me to death. I hope you’re just as fed up with my take, because this back-and-forth is pointless. I gave you the easy test to see if you had any of the sanity that was previously present in the Democrat party and that's a firm no.

If you can’t just say no man should ever compete in women’s sports, you’re too far gone and reasonable debates would be too few and far between. I’m tried to stay civil, but your beliefs plant you firmly in the crazy camp. Catch you on the flip side.