HIgh Schools now banning MAGA hats!!!!

[Flash]

I would argue that MAGA makes society hateful and negative.

BLM came out of police killing unarmed black civilians, MAGA came out of white people who hated the black President.

Those are not equivalent by any stretch, and when you equate them, you diminish the plight that created BLM and elevate the depravity of MAGA.

Black people are victims of police brutality.
MAGA are victims of their own poor judgment and lack of ambition.

Those are not the same thing, so they cannot be equated. When you equate them, you diminish the plight BLM is fighting against.

Some people aren't victims. MAGAts are not victims.

I was not equating the causes, I was equating the consequences of people who attack others because of their hat or shirt or political beliefs. It just leads the other side to retaliate, teaches our children that violence is acceptable, and creates a society where we are afraid to express our views for fear of being attacked. Trump had 62 million voters--relatively few of those hated Obama because he was black. They hated him because he was a Democrat just as people hate Trump because he is a Republican.

And, as we discussed before, there were 8-9 million Obama votes who voted for Trump--those Trump supporters did not dislike Obama. I know you disagree with that claim because of the vote totals, but you did not include the 8 million third party votes.

 

[Flash]

Would it be OK to wear a KKK shit to school? Most likely, it would result in a conflict. It is also likely a MAGA hat would result in a conflict. The schools interest is keeping the peace. They don't want to deal with the conflict. I am sure an Obama shirt would result in a dispute. The hater hats do not belong in school.

A policy that prohibits any political attire would be acceptable. But trying to decide whether a certain hat would result in a dispute is not acceptable and surely would vary by location. You can not discriminate based on the content of the speech. Some schools do not allow commercial attire (Budweiser). Read Tinker v. Des Moines for an interesting case.

 

[Flash]

This is a variation of "look what you made me do", which is abuser pathology.

Personally, I don't think anyone should be ripping MAGA hats off people's heads. Instead, I think those MAGA hats should be permanently attached to their heads, so they can't simply take it off and posture a different persona, like they all did after Bush the Dumber.

I'm a firm believer in Aldo-ism; which is that you should have to bear the scars of your terrible past for the world to see, and people can then judge you accordingly.

Letting them get away with taking their MAGA hats off and posturing a different persona simply enables them to do it over and over and over and over. It's exactly why we are where we are today; Obama was too nice to Conservatives, who have never acted in good faith. Ever. But, he accommodated their rebrand when they took all their Bush/Cheney shirts off and stapled a few teabags to their faces.

Never again.

You want society to treat someone different because of their hat? You want to create hate toward someone based on prejudiced and unwarranted assumptions. To assume a person is a racist because of a MAGA hat is just wrong and simplistic conclusion. I know people who wear caps that somebody gave them with no idea of what is written on them. You want to create a society divided into classes that encourage and allows one class to bully another.

In your society a racist without a hat would be treated well while a man with a MAGA hat who is a very good person is treated poorly.

You create a society like the incident in West University Place (a wealthy city inside of Houston) where teenager girls in an ice cream shop were yelled at by a wealthy woman on the city council because they wore Trump shirts. Teenage girls are not usually very political and were scared because the woman was yelling and taking pictures.

Remember, there are an equal number of people who might think someone wearing a Hillary hat should be held accountable and face social conseqences. It does not matter if the two hats are equivalent, but each side is free to bully and berate the other. That is the society you are trying to create.

 

[LV426]

You want society to treat someone different because of their hat?

It's not about the hat; it's about what the hat represents.

It's (definitely) not a fashion choice.

 

[Flash]

Well, it's some of the Party. The leading 2020 contenders all back Omar, including Bernie.




What consequences did Steve King face?

What consequences did Steve Scalise face?

What consequences did Jim Jordan face?

What consequences has Trump faced?

They can be defeated in the next election if their constituents don't like it. What else could be done?

 

[LV426]

To assume a person is a racist because of a MAGA hat is just wrong and simplistic conclusion.

Completely disagree there.

At this point, if you are unaware or unclear about what MAGA represents, then there's something wrong with your brain.

In your society a racist without a hat would be treated well while a man with a MAGA hat who is a very good person is treated poorly.

Firstly, you cannot be a good person and support Trump.

Secondly, in my society, they would never be allowed to remove their red hat. They made the choice to put it on because of what the hat represents. Why should they be allowed to rebrand themselves by taking it off or hiding it because it runs out of favor or becomes uncomfortable for them in public?

No one forced them to MAGA. They made the choice just like all those Germans made the choice to be Nazis and adorn themselves with swastikas.

 

[LV426]

You create a society like the incident in West University Place (a wealthy city inside of Houston) where teenager girls in an ice cream shop were yelled at by a wealthy woman on the city council because they wore Trump shirts. Teenage girls are not usually very political and were scared because the woman was yelling and taking pictures.

They made the choice to wear that trash.

They know that it elicits a response out of people.

They wore that garbage because they want the attention and accommodation.

Shitty children are the result of shitty parents.

 

[LV426]

Remember, there are an equal number of people who might think someone wearing a Hillary hat should be held accountable and face social conseqences

1. No one wears a Clinton hat.

2. There aren't an "equal number of people"; this is both-siderism rearing its head again, Flash. Be careful.

3. Clinton won by 3,000,000 votes, so there's no equality in this.

It does not matter if the two hats are equivalent, but each side is free to bully and berate the other.

No one is walking around wearing HRC hats.

However, plenty of deplorables are walking around wearing MAGA hats, knowing what MAGA rerpresents.

The didn't vote for him because they thought he would make America great; they voted for him because he's a racist and it makes them feel better about their own shittiness to know their President feels the same way.

If that doesn't deserve scorn, nothing does.

 

[LV426]

They can be defeated in the next election if their constituents don't like it. What else could be done?

A resolution, perhaps?

 

[Flash]

It's not about the hat; it's about what the hat represents.

It's (definitely) not a fashion choice.

What you think it represents might not have anything to do with what the person wearing it represents.

Besides, you are missing the point. It has noting do with whether the person represents a noble cause but whether they are free to express those views without having someone else butt into their business. I have yet to see a confrontation or even a friendly discussion change someone's political views. No one is held accountable when bullied by another.

We do not have more or less freedom because someone else thinks our views are unacceptable. Conservatives have the same intolerance and want to punish and impose their views on others and that is no more acceptable than liberals doing so.

 

[Getin the ring]

I would argue that MAGA makes society hateful and negative.

BLM came out of police killing unarmed black civilians, MAGA came out of white people who hated the black President.

Those are not equivalent by any stretch, and when you equate them, you diminish the plight that created BLM and elevate the depravity of MAGA.

Black people are victims of police brutality.
MAGA are victims of their own poor judgment and lack of ambition.

Those are not the same thing, so they cannot be equated. When you equate them, you diminish the plight BLM is fighting against.

Some people aren't victims. MAGAts are not victims.

triggered by a hat,

are you not the least bit ashamed of your manhood, or lack thereof

Clinton won by 3,000,000 votes, so there's no equality in this.

oh no, popular vote thing again?

she lost nut bag, and she's not coming back

move on

 

[LV426]

What you think it represents might not have anything to do with what the person wearing it represents.

We know what it represents because Trump puts what it represents on display every fucking day.

His supporters put that on display here, on these boards. On Twitter. On Facebook.

Every day he says something racist, or attacks a certain group, or tweets invective, or lies.

Don't kid yourself, Flash.

 

[Getin the ring]

omg LV426 has about 80% of the posts in a hat thread

NUTBAG ALERT NUTBAG ALERT

 

[LV426]

Besides, you are missing the point. It has noting do with whether the person represents a noble cause but whether they are free to express those views without having someone else butt into their business. I have yet to see a confrontation or even a friendly discussion change someone's political views. No one is held accountable when bullied by another.

Well, I would agree except for the fact that the exact opposite happened last year.

Remember back around May or June, when people were concern trolling Democrats and liberals because of how mean we were being to people on social media and in public places? Remember how we were told over and over that it would lead to a backlash against Democrats at the polls? That there would be a #Walkaway?

What happened?

Democrats absolutely crushed the midterms, winning the House back by the largest popular vote margin ever.

60 million people voted for Democrats in 2018, which was only about 5 million less than voted for Clinton in 2016.

How many Republicans voted? 50 million, which was 12 million less than 2016.

So the "conventional wisdom" might be that confronting MAGAts will turn people off, but the electoral totals from 4 months ago say otherwise.

 

[Flash]

1. No one wears a Clinton hat.

2. There aren't an "equal number of people"; this is both-siderism rearing its head again, Flash. Be careful.

3. Clinton won by 3,000,000 votes, so there's no equality in this.

No one is walking around wearing HRC hats.

However, plenty of deplorables are walking around wearing MAGA hats, knowing what MAGA rerpresents.

The didn't vote for him because they thought he would make America great; they voted for him because he's a racist and it makes them feel better about their own shittiness to know their President feels the same way.

If that doesn't deserve scorn, nothing does.

Don't be so literal. 66 v. 63 million means there are still millions of people on both sides which could all be walking around holding the other side accountable for their political views creating an intolerant, violent society in which both sides see themselves as morally superior and that the other side is destroying American and is "Un-American."

It doesn't matter whether the two sides are equivalent, but they both see themselves as entitled to impose their views on the other including violence. And, they both have have the equal freedom to do so.

I wonder why nobody wears HRC hats?

 

[LV426]

We do not have more or less freedom because someone else thinks our views are unacceptable

Unless your view is un-acceptance, which MAGA is all about; denying existence to groups that don't align with the homogeneous nature of Conservatism, be they LGBTQ, Muslims, Latinos, Black people, Immigrants, Jews, etc.

Conservatives have the same intolerance and want to punish and impose their views on others and that is no more acceptable than liberals doing so.

Punish, how? This is what I don't understand, Flash. You keep equating criticism and social consequences as punishment, but it's all self-inflicted! These people are choosing to be MAGAts, knowing what it represents. Those people need to be confronted because if they're not, they will just rebrand over and over and over and over. We have to break that cycle.

 

[Getin the ring]

won the house

take that and two dollars with you and get yourself a cup of coffee

"confronted"?

gonna have to grow balls to do that, hmmmm

 

[LV426]

are you not the least bit ashamed of your manhood, or lack thereof

Stormy Daniels said Trump's dick is small and looked like a toadstool.

 

[LV426]

66 v. 63 million means there are still millions of people on both sides which could all be walking around holding the other side accountable for their political views creating an intolerant, violent society in which both sides see themselves as morally superior and that the other side is destroying American and is "Un-American."

Trump is the product of that society. Trump is precisely what Conservatives have always wanted. Now that they have what they want, you want us to be nice to them? Why? They're not nice people. They support Trump because he's a bigot and they're bigots. Bigots don't earn accommodation; not of their beliefs or their feelings.

 

[LV426]

It doesn't matter whether the two sides are equivalent, but they both see themselves as entitled to impose their views on the other including violence. And, they both have have the equal freedom to do so

So you say in the first part of the sentence that there's no equivalence, and then you do equivalence right after the comma!

I mean, dude...come on.

I wonder why nobody wears HRC hats?

Because she's not a demagogue who commands cultish loyalty which results in the abdication of previously-declared principles.

She's just an old grandma who would have been an effective technocrat.

Ironically, Clinton losing might end up killing the GOP for a generation because the GOP was forced to upend its "principles" to defend Trump like a cult. Didn't work out too well for them 4 months ago, did it?

BTW - we were told that if we were mean to Conservatives, that it would turn off voters. Meanwhile, 41 (and counting) flipped House seats and control of the chamber later...