HIgh Schools now banning MAGA hats!!!!

take that and two dollars with you and get yourself a cup of coffee

It stopped your fucking wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for before making Americans pay for it.



"confronted"? gonna have to grow balls to do that, hmmmm

You won't have the balls to wear your MAGA hat after this shit comes to a head.

You will re-brand yourself and pretend you never supported Trump.

We know you'll do that, because that's what you did after Bush the Dumber.
 
Firstly, you cannot be a good person and support Trump.

I know plenty of very good people who voted for Trump. I may disagree with their views, but I am still their friend and think they are very good people.

On the other hand, I know some racist old men who are the most loyal Democrats in the world.

I know people who say you cannot be a good person if you are not Christian, if you had an abortion, or if you are gay. That is in the same league as your claim. They are based on simple-minded partisanship. Some people never get past the black-white and good-evil dichotomy.
 
I may disagree with their views, but I am still their friend and think they are very good people

Well, if you can be friends with someone who supports Trump and what Trump represents, then I think you need to raise your standards.


On the other hand, I know some racist old men who are the most loyal Democrats in the world.

You know that I don't accept anecdotal evidence, right? The reason is because it's not something that can be verified and it is often used as a crutch to paper over the credibility deficit in an argument.

I don't know any good people who voted for Trump, and those that did are not good people because they voted for him.


I know people who say you cannot be a good person if you are not Christian, if you had an abortion, or if you are gay.

So, here's the thing about this...

1. Christianity is a choice
2. Homosexuality is not.
3. Abortion is none of your business, or anyone else's except the woman and her doctor.

So who are the people who say those things about #2 and #3? Are they generally Trump supporters? They are, right? So we're having a circular discussion now; you're trying to say that people who voted for Trump, who hold those views on #2 and #3 of the above, are good people and I'm telling you they aren't.


Some people never get past the black-white and good-evil dichotomy.

If you are on the fence about the evil of this, then you're not a good person either:

 
They made the choice to wear that trash.

They know that it elicits a response out of people.

They wore that garbage because they want the attention and accommodation.

Shitty children are the result of shitty parents.

And they should be free to wear those shirts without an entitled rich bitch attacking them in public. People who do what she did never engage in civil debate; instead, they yell and scream and become irrational. They actually think they are superior to others.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...ing-obscenities-over-teen-wearing-trump-shirt
 
People who do what she did never engage in civil debate; instead, they yell and scream and become irrational. They actually think they are superior to others.

We tried to engage in civil debate, back in 2016.

In fact, we tried to engage in civil debate back in 2008.

What happened in 2008? Do you remember?

I remember. I remember Sarah fucking Palin strolling onto the scene at the RNC with a shitty, uncivil speech attacking Obama. I remember McCain having to correct a woman who insisted Obama was a Muslim (now where on earth would she have gotten that idea?????), while also taking a backhanded swipe at Muslims in general.

Conservatives were the ones who refused civility.

Remember when they stapled all those teabags to their faces and harassed Democratic politicians at town halls and in public? Because I remember that shit. I covered it.

Do you remember the current President harassing Obama about his birth certificate? Because I remember that shit.

Do you remember McConnell saying his one objective was to deny Obama a second term? Because I remember that shit.

Is my memory better than yours? Seems that way.

In 2016, the MAGAts chose to not engage in civil debate and instead disseminated propaganda about child sex rings in pizza shops.

That was how Conservatives hold "civil debate". So for some lady to yell at teenage enablers of Trumpism pales in comparison to the direct, deliberate, and overtly racist incivility Conservatives exhibited throughout Obama's Presidency. In fact, given all the shit Trumpists have said and done before and during his Presidency, yelling at a bunch of bitchy teenage girls is acting civil.
 
We tried to engage in civil debate, back in 2016.

In fact, we tried to engage in civil debate back in 2008.

What happened in 2008? Do you remember?

I remember. I remember Sarah fucking Palin strolling onto the scene at the RNC with a shitty, uncivil speech attacking Obama. I remember McCain having to correct a woman who insisted Obama was a Muslim, while also taking a backhanded swipe at Muslims in general.

Conservatives were the ones who refused civility.

Remember when they stapled all those teabags to their faces and harassed Democratic politicians at town halls and in public? Because I remember that shit. I covered it.

Do you remember the current President harassing Obama about his birth certificate? Because I remember that shit.

Do you remember McConnell saying his one objective was to deny Obama a second term? Because I remember that shit.

Is my memory better than yours? Seems that way.

In 2016, the MAGAts chose to not engage in civil debate and instead disseminated propaganda about child sex rings in pizza shops.

That was how Conservatives hold "civil debate". So for some lady to yell at teenage enablers of Trumpism pales in comparison to the direct, deliberate, and overtly racist incivility Conservatives exhibited throughout Obama's Presidency. In fact, given all the shit Trumpists have said and done before and during his Presidency, yelling at a bunch of bitchy teenage girls is acting civil.
There was no effort made in 2003 and we were called unAmerica, antiAmerican and made to eat Freedom Fries!
 
People who do what she did never engage in civil debate; instead, they yell and scream and become irrational.

After all the shit Trumpanzees have said and done over the last 3 years, yelling at teenage enablers and trolls is civility.

Incivility would be building bombs in your van to mail to your perceived political enemies.

Incivility would be barging into a Waffle House, looking to kill black people.

Incivility would be shooting up a temple because you believed propaganda that Jews are financing immigrant caravans to replace the white race.

Incivility would be carrying torches and screaming "Jews will not replace us".

Incivility would be shooting up a church of black people.

Screaming at people in public might be shrill, but incivility? Not even close.
 
There was an effort made in 2003 and we were called unAmerica, antiAmerican and made to eat Freedom Fries!

Exactly.

Conservatives have never wanted civility in good faith. They want Democrats and liberals to be pushovers.

That's what they mean by "act civil" is "be a pushover and let me believe whatever crazy shit I want even if that crazy shit leads to discrimination and bigotry."
 
Well, if you can be friends with someone who supports Trump and what Trump represents, then I think you need to raise your standards.

You know that I don't accept anecdotal evidence, right? The reason is because it's not something that can be verified and it is often used as a crutch to paper over the credibility deficit in an argument.

Funny, you accepted anecdotal evidence when I said I had friends who voted for trump but not when I said I had friends who are racist who are loyal Democrats.

You seem to be under the simplistic assumption that no Democrats are racist. I worked on the LBJ campaign in 1964 with a lot of union guys from a local refinery and was shocked to see how racist they were. Since civil rights was a major issue for LBJ I assumed they agreed, but they just supported the Democrat (I assume) because they thought they were more friendly to unions.

Those guys were much older than me. But today, I meet some old retired guys at the donut shop about 3 mornings a week. They are my age but are all very conservative and racist but would not even consider voting Republican. I ask them why they vote Democratic since they don't like blacks, gays, or anything else liberal (with the exception of one guy who is liberal). They don't really know--that is the way they have always voted. They are all union pipefitters or millwrights.
 
Exactly.

Conservatives have never wanted civility in good faith. They want Democrats and liberals to be pushovers.

That's what they mean by "act civil" is "be a pushover and let me believe whatever crazy shit I want even if that crazy shit leads to discrimination and bigotry."
Sorry, that should be no effort.
 
After all the shit Trumpanzees have said and done over the last 3 years, yelling at teenage enablers and trolls is civility.

Incivility would be building bombs in your van to mail to your perceived political enemies.

Incivility would be barging into a Waffle House, looking to kill black people.

Incivility would be shooting up a temple because you believed propaganda that Jews are financing immigrant caravans to replace the white race.

Incivility would be carrying torches and screaming "Jews will not replace us".

Incivility would be shooting up a church of black people.

Screaming at people in public might be shrill, but incivility? Not even close.

Criminal activities and being incivil are not equatable.
 
Funny, you accepted anecdotal evidence when I said I had friends who voted for trump but not when I said I had friends who are racist who are loyal Democrats

I said "IF".

I don't really care whether it's true or not.

What I care about is why you would invoke it in this debate.
 
You seem to be under the simplistic assumption that no Democrats are racist. I worked on the LBJ campaign in 1964 with a lot of union guys from a local refinery and was shocked to see how racist they were. Since civil rights was a major issue for LBJ I assumed they agreed, but they just supported the Democrat (I assume) because they thought they were more friendly to unions

It's 2019 not 1964.

I don't know why you are trying to apply 1964 to 2019. It's a tenuous, "bothsiderist" attempt to paint Democrats as racist by invoking a conversation you had...55 years ago?

How relevant is that conversation to today? Not at all.

Yes, in 1964, the Democratic Party had a lot of racists in it. Fast forward to 2019 and all those people who were racist in the Democratic Party in 1964 now find themselves voting for Trump and supporting Republicans.

This can't be new information for you.
 
Those guys were much older than me. But today, I meet some old retired guys at the donut shop about 3 mornings a week. They are my age but are all very conservative and racist but would not even consider voting Republican. I ask them why they vote Democratic since they don't like blacks, gays, or anything else liberal (with the exception of one guy who is liberal). They don't really know--that is the way they have always voted. They are all union pipefitters or millwrights.

Sounds like you need better friends.
 
Criminal activities and being incivil are not equatable.

Yet those criminal activities were done for the benefit of the fundamental, political beliefs of the perpetrators.

That is how Conservatives debate; through violence.

You don't want civility so much as you want liberals to be pushovers, so as not to harm the very, very fragile feelings of Conservatives.

That's a HARD PASS from me.
 
Criminal activities and being incivil are not equatable.

Also, what is "civil" and what isn't is really subjective.

What you might think is civil, someone else might not.

What you don't have is the entitlement to establish your definition of "civility" as the standard. When you do that, you rub people the wrong way and put them off. You don't sway their thinking by imposing your subjective view of civility on the debate as some sort of standard just because you're exercising bothsiderism.

I'd argue your bothsiderism is more destructive to debate than being incivil. The reason is because bothsiderism always must elevate a shitty belief to contrast with another. And what is the goal of "bothsiderism"? Is it for improved political discourse? Hell fucking no. The goal of "bothsiderism" is accommodation. I'm tired of accommodating bad faith.
 
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