History is for suckers.

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reletor

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Somebody else did a thread in this section mentioning history. So I thought I would too. By telling you that "history" is for suckers. There is a truism out there that says, "History is written by the victors." As in the victors of some war. But there is another truism about war. It says, "In war, truth is the first casualty." No doubt for the winning side, it remains a casualty. Also, there were a couple notable people who had truthful things to say about history. One was Napoleon. He said, "History is a set of lies agreed upon." Another was Tolstoy. He said, "History would be a wonderful thing. If it were only true."
 
reletor said:
Somebody else did a thread in this section mentioning history. So I thought I would too. By telling you that "history" is for suckers. There is a truism out there that says, "History is written by the victors." As in the victors of some war. But there is another truism about war. It says, "In war, truth is the first casualty." No doubt for the winning side, it remains a casualty. Also, there were a couple notable people who had truthful things to say about history. One was Napoleon. He said, "History is a set of lies agreed upon." Another was Tolstoy. He said, "History would be a wonderful thing. If it were only true."
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Historians are now almost universally shit quality.

That is a Big Mother Fucking Problem.
 
reletor said:
Somebody else did a thread in this section mentioning history. So I thought I would too. By telling you that "history" is for suckers. There is a truism out there that says, "History is written by the victors." As in the victors of some war. But there is another truism about war. It says, "In war, truth is the first casualty." No doubt for the winning side, it remains a casualty. Also, there were a couple notable people who had truthful things to say about history. One was Napoleon. He said, "History is a set of lies agreed upon." Another was Tolstoy. He said, "History would be a wonderful thing. If it were only true."
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So, history tells us that Bill Clinton was President in 1993. Is it false?
 
BidenPresident said:
So, history tells us that Bill Clinton was President in 1993. Is it false?
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That historians are now more interested in telling stories/lies that will help their career in the service of the majority ideology of the Failed ELite Class rather than illuminating the past....you know....their jobs....is a problem.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
That historians are now more interested in telling stories/lies that will help their career in the service of the majority ideology of the Failed ELite Class rather than illuminating the past....you know....their jobs....is a problem.
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I do not believe you have ever read a book on history.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
That historians are now more interested in telling stories/lies that will help their career in the service of the majority ideology of the Failed ELite Class rather than illuminating the past....you know....their jobs....is a problem.
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I do not believe you have ever had a university-level history class, and the last history class you ever took was in high school.
 
History is just like physics and chemistry. It is an ongoing search for something as closely approximating the truth as we can get.

Western civilization owes a major debt to Herodotus and Thucydides for teaching us the art and science of historical analysis.
 
Cypress said:
History is just like physics and chemistry. It is an ongoing search for something as closely approximating the truth as we can get.

Western civilization owes a major debt to Herodotus and Thucydides for teaching us the art and science of historical analysis.
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Were it not for history -- and the writing down and preservation of it -- science as we know it would not exist, nor would our present technology. A civilization that does not keep records of the past and learn from them is doomed to stagnation and extinction.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Were it not for history -- and the writing down and preservation of it -- science as we know it would not exist, nor would our present technology. A civilization that does not keep records of the past and learn from them is doomed to stagnation and extinction.
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Good point. Socrates sometimes criticized the written word and preferred spoken language. Not that odd, as what we call Homer's Iliad and Odyssey were originally orally transmitted. However, without Plato writing dialogues with Socrates, no one would know a thing about Socrates.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Were it not for history -- and the writing down and preservation of it -- science as we know it would not exist, nor would our present technology. A civilization that does not keep records of the past and learn from them is doomed to stagnation and extinction.
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We would be doomed without history!

The careful study of history is one of the best forms of moral instruction we have.


I don't buy that history is just a pack of lies promulgated by the victors. The Soviet Kremlin tried to control history. But the truth came out because of independent writers and historians.
 
Cypress said:
We would be doomed without history!

The careful study of history is one of the best forms of moral instruction we have.


I don't buy that history is just a pack of lies promulgated by the victors. The Soviet Kremlin tried to control history. But the truth came out because of independent writers and historians.
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In a sense, Solzhenitsyn's 'Gulag Archipelago' was a work of history which undermined the Kremlin's attempt to control history and truth.
 
reletor said:
Somebody else did a thread in this section mentioning history. So I thought I would too. By telling you that "history" is for suckers. There is a truism out there that says, "History is written by the victors." As in the victors of some war. But there is another truism about war. It says, "In war, truth is the first casualty." No doubt for the winning side, it remains a casualty. Also, there were a couple notable people who had truthful things to say about history. One was Napoleon. He said, "History is a set of lies agreed upon." Another was Tolstoy. He said, "History would be a wonderful thing. If it were only true."
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You are approaching the stupidest poster alive range


Your “ideas” are idiotic
 
reletor said:
Somebody else did a thread in this section mentioning history. So I thought I would too. By telling you that "history" is for suckers. There is a truism out there that says, "History is written by the victors." As in the victors of some war. But there is another truism about war. It says, "In war, truth is the first casualty." No doubt for the winning side, it remains a casualty. Also, there were a couple notable people who had truthful things to say about history. One was Napoleon. He said, "History is a set of lies agreed upon." Another was Tolstoy. He said, "History would be a wonderful thing. If it were only true."
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Napoleon would have benefited to pay more attention to history.
 
BidenPresident said:
I do not believe you have ever read a book on history.
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I think he read this one, but he didn't get the jokes.

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reletor said:
Somebody else did a thread in this section mentioning history. So I thought I would too. By telling you that "history" is for suckers. There is a truism out there that says, "History is written by the victors." As in the victors of some war. But there is another truism about war. It says, "In war, truth is the first casualty." No doubt for the winning side, it remains a casualty. Also, there were a couple notable people who had truthful things to say about history. One was Napoleon. He said, "History is a set of lies agreed upon." Another was Tolstoy. He said, "History would be a wonderful thing. If it were only true."
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Translation: I'm a Trumpian dumbass who believes history is for suckers. Yayyyyyy ignorance!!!!



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reletor said:
Somebody else did a thread in this section mentioning history. So I thought I would too. By telling you that "history" is for suckers. There is a truism out there that says, "History is written by the victors." As in the victors of some war. But there is another truism about war. It says, "In war, truth is the first casualty." No doubt for the winning side, it remains a casualty. Also, there were a couple notable people who had truthful things to say about history. One was Napoleon. He said, "History is a set of lies agreed upon." Another was Tolstoy. He said, "History would be a wonderful thing. If it were only true."
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What is your point?

That we should just assume everything, ever written about history should be ignored?

I'll pass on that...thanks.
 
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