Agnosticus_Caesar
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Bush pushed the war forward, and Republicans allowed him to do it. That is fact.
Holocaust Denial - American Style
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gonzojournals
Better than You
Ok, then compare the murder rates across the country per 100,000 people to the deaths in Iraq per 100,000 troops--- I would imagine that the States still win out.
gonzojournals
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Agnosticus_Caesar
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Also, you don't understand the irony of your statement, Gonzo. Just BEING ON THE ROAD, in Iraq, is fucking perilous.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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I doubt it highly. Even given that our troops are ARMED AND TRAINED.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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It is a ridiculous comparison to begin with.
Beefy
Worst gambler ever
Yes war is an ugly business. And its even uglier when its done at the behest of bullshit. And justifying the death of our soldiers in an unnecessary war by saying that more die by some other cause, that's flat rubbish, and you know it. Tell those 4,000 families that their kid, or brother, or father, or sister was just as likely to die in a crash and see what they think of your statistics.
Well, besides 4,000 guys, and 40,000+ more casualties, we've lost most of our equity with other world powers because of this poor policy, which will render us impotent in enacting sound policy, about a trillion and a half dollars, and we've lost any potential support from other middle Eastern Nations, save for Israel which will always be our master. Its become us against them, just like they wanted.
What have we lost? Are you kidding me?
Well you'd better not any more, because the more warring a country does, the more it impacts the liberties of its citizens. You know as well as I do that Iraq was not even on the radar as a threat to our freedom, liberty, or way of life. But I'll tell you what, this administration is sure towing the line.
Lots of war, lots of spying, profiling, reducing the visitation rights to Cuban Americans, planting propoganda... What was it you were saying about liberties? Don't take them for granted? Well you're sure as shit right on that one.
I don't want to hold hands under a rainbow. If you want to argue with an idealist, go dig wanderingbear up from the dead, but I've said nothing of the sort, and you're planting scarecrows.
Anything begets more war. Okay. So lets say a diplomatic process, through an honest discourse begets more war than say, invading, bombing, overthrowing a government, and occupying a country.
Bot beget war I guess. Wars have been had in both manners, so they must be the same thing.
And its not a zero sum game anymore than economics is a zero sum game. Its just not. Why would you even suggest it? To uphold and defent a belief system?
gonzojournals
Better than You
Thank you, that brings me to another point of mine-- many military deaths are the result of the same sort of accidents that kill at home....mundane things that can on occasion kill, such as cars, faulty equipment, etc.
Just because 4000 people have died over the course of several years doesn't mean that we are getting our asses handed to us.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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[Thank you, that brings me to another point of mine-- many military deaths are the result of the same sort of accidents that kill at home....mundane things that can on occasion kill, such as cars, faulty equipment, etc.
Just because 4000 people have died over the course of several years doesn't mean that we are getting our asses handed to us]
Dumbass. It is perilous BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SHOOTING AT THEM, AND PLANTING ROADSIDE BOMBS. Moron.
Just because 4000 people have died over the course of several years doesn't mean that we are getting our asses handed to us]
Dumbass. It is perilous BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SHOOTING AT THEM, AND PLANTING ROADSIDE BOMBS. Moron.
gonzojournals
Better than You
Whether the war was necessary for the reasons given to us by the government is arguable, but the necessity of the war itself is not--- we have not done anything immoral by removing a brutal dictator. As far as those families, I would be happy to tell them--- just give me their addresses so I can start sending the letters.
I disagree with our policies in Israel, so I'm with you there. However, if you think we have lost equity with other world powers, you obviously live in a dream world--- a world without America would be a world swiftly decaying towards anarchy, especially economically.
Haha. Yeah, sooooo many Americans have been impacted by this war as far as liberties are concerned....have the mean men in black dragged you from your home to some internment camp?
Lots of war? Really? I think veterans across the country just had one massive grave-roll because of that statement--- calling Iraq "lots of war" is an insult to real wars.
Profiling? You think? We would dare look for Muslim terrorists in *gasp* Muslim populations! Dear God, what have we done?!?!
Reducing Cuban American visitation rights....um, yeah, real high up on my list of priorities....you know, the economy, the military, national security, the well-being of my family....oh, right, and the right for Cuban Americans to go on vacation!
No, just pointing out the ridiculous idealism that seems so engrained in American thought right now.
Diplomatic discourse started both world wars, but ok.
It is a zero sum game. You are either growing, or you are dying...there is no grey area.
Beefy
Worst gambler ever
You sound like Dano. This is a ridiculous thing to say.
gonzojournals
Better than You
Haha. Ok. There are NEVER non-combat traffic accidents, apparently. Once you join the military you become an excellent driver.
gonzojournals
Better than You
A ridiculous thing that you are only able to call ridiculous.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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By the way, dumbshit.
There are 300,000,000 people in The US. Approximately 40,000 vehicular deaths.
I would guess an average of 120,000 troops, and an average of 800 death per year.
300,000,000 / 40,000 = 7500
120,000 / 800 = 150
So you're wrong again.
There are 300,000,000 people in The US. Approximately 40,000 vehicular deaths.
I would guess an average of 120,000 troops, and an average of 800 death per year.
300,000,000 / 40,000 = 7500
120,000 / 800 = 150
So you're wrong again.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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[Haha. Yeah, sooooo many Americans have been impacted by this war as far as liberties are concerned....have the mean men in black dragged you from your home to some internment camp?]
You could have asked my great-grandfather that during WWII...or anyone else who looked like him. Ask people of Japanese heritage the same question.
(By the way, the above is an example of the PROPER usage of Reductio Ad Absurdum)
You could have asked my great-grandfather that during WWII...or anyone else who looked like him. Ask people of Japanese heritage the same question.
(By the way, the above is an example of the PROPER usage of Reductio Ad Absurdum)
Beefy
Worst gambler ever
Explain the necessity of this war. Removing a brutal dictator is a good thing, if it happens in a vacuum Mr. Hannity. But it did not happen in a vacuum.
Explain to me how you can say out of one side of your mouth that you could give a shit about Iraqis, and then out of the other side say how 4,000 American lives were worth freeing them.
Certainly I didn't suggest that ther rest of the world was calling for the United States to be wiped off the map. I've heard certain Neocons use that same rhetoric with regards to a certain Middle Eastern "ally" to justify all kinds of shit. No, they're not suggesting we evaporate, but to think, once again that the US operates in a vacuum and foreign powers are completely irrelevant is fallacious at best, and malicious at worst.
But you don't take your liberties for granted?
No, nothing to see here folks! Keep moving right along. Nothing to see here.
Yes, this is certainly not a "real war". We would be remiss to think that these "little wars" are of any effect on us. Why, this isn't a "real war", lets not pay too much attention to the $1,500,000,000,000 dollars and 44,000 dead and wounded. Maybe its not WWII, but your dismissal of it clearly shows your diminutive level of appreciation for its magnitude.
Petty, pesky little skirmish. Why who would call this a War? Damned rainbow huggers.
You don't understand. You really think that the way we've been treating our security has made us safer? Profiling takes away liberties, but don't take those for granted! We don't want to do that!
Again, you do not understand. When the government starts to take ownership over the individual, rather than the individual having ownership over the government, you lose. You, the individual, lose, and lose big.
Idealism being this rainbow dance? That's certainly a stretch from what most of the people are thinking. How's this for idealism: Don't start was against nations that ate not a threat, and if you do, and realize its a massive clusterfuck, end it.
That's my idealism. Put your rainbows aside.
HONEST diplomatic discourses could have at least avoided the Iraq war, and you know this. Diplomacy as a prop is not diplomacy. Diplomacy is diplomacy when it is not predetermined.
This is probably the worst mindset one could have regarding foreign policy. If Zimbabwe sells 11 more clay pots this week, then that means somewhere, some country lost the equivilent value of 11 clay pots. Hogwash.
If it a zero sum game, would you suggest tht the human race weilds the same power against one another as it did 5,000 years ago, or 500, or 100 for that matter? It would if it was truly a zero sum game, and its not. Period.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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Even if you were to subtract the 25% of the US population which is under 18, you still have
Deaths per capita US = 1 in approximately 5600, per year
US military Deaths per capita in Iraq = in in approximately 150, per year
You weren't only wrong, you were off by a factor of DAMNED NEAR FORTY.
Deaths per capita US = 1 in approximately 5600, per year
US military Deaths per capita in Iraq = in in approximately 150, per year
You weren't only wrong, you were off by a factor of DAMNED NEAR FORTY.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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[Explain the necessity of this war. Removing a brutal dictator is a good thing, if it happens in a vacuum Mr. Hannity. But it did not happen in a vacuum.]
True, it did not happen in a vacuum. It sure as fuck created on though. A giant power vacuum that continues to consume countless lives.
True, it did not happen in a vacuum. It sure as fuck created on though. A giant power vacuum that continues to consume countless lives.
Agnosticus_Caesar
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It makes SO much sense to compare 40,000 vehicle death in a group of 225,000,000 to 800 combat deaths in a group of 120,000.
You and everyone who appeals to said argument, are fucking idiots.
You and everyone who appeals to said argument, are fucking idiots.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
You are absolutely correct.
Americans don't give a damn about dead Iraqis even with the knowledge that we mass-murdered them for profit, even with the knowledge that we've blown up and MELTED children and babies, and even with the knowledge that they were ALL, including Saddam, were innocent of any crime against the United States. We simply invented a reason to kill innocent people and Americans don't give a damn.
The impetus behind much of the antiwar sentiment in America today is because American troops are needlessly dying and this holocaust is draining the military and the Treasury.
The mass-murder of Iraqis is rarely even mentioned in MSM, nor is their suffering, nor destruction of their infrastructure and historical monuments.
Yet some whine like disgusting pigs about "where is the good news?" .. which would be like saying the Nazis passed out candy to children before they led them into the gas chamber. Whoopeee
Iraq is the decline of the American empire and it spent every last drop of the global goodwill this nation built from from our actions in WWII. The Emperor is naked and the rest of the world can clearly see the ugliness of the US agenda .. and they are distancing themselves from the stench of it.