Homosexuality is not a sin

leaningright said:
I don’t disagree. The Bible has been [mis]used to justify all sorts of heinous behavior. I was simply answering Jarod’s claim that “Homosexuality simply [is] not called a sin in the bible.”
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It isn't called a sin in the Bible. BTW, those verses you listed talk about perverse acts and the Roman pagan worship activities. Using boy slaves and prostitutes for their own perverse pleasure. Think Epstein.

Nothing to do with homosexuality.
 
AProudLefty said:
Plus Sodomites are not the same as homosexuals.
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In our language no doubt the two words are different, but looking at the Greek word that is translated “sodomite” it appears that’s what the writer meant.

The word translated “sodomites” defined from the original Greek: ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoitēs; a sodomite: — abuser of (that defile) self with mankind. To defile (one's) self with mankind; One who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual
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I have studied some but am not by any stretch of the imagination an expert in Greek so I must defer to someone who is. The above is from Strong’s. I have studied others and those without an agenda seem to agree with Strong’s definition.

The truth of the matter is that the word “homosexual” didn’t appear in any Bible until 1946 (working on my feeble memory here so I could be off a year or two either way), which makes perfect sense because it is a relatively “new” word to refer to people engaging in such activity. But again, in the original Greek I have no doubt what/who is being referred to.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And the followers of the LBGTQ follow whatever the hell experimental medical procedures come next.
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There's a major difference between being banned from something or forced to do something versus having freedom of choice....even if it's experimental.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
good luck finding a post of mine that says what you claimed I said, porkrind........I expect you to devote at least two weeks of your life to trying before you realize just how stupid you are
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Bullshit all you like, Pmp, but anyone who gives a shit can see that you lied and bullshitted.
 
AProudLefty said:
It isn't called a sin in the Bible. BTW, those verses you listed talk about perverse acts and the Roman pagan worship activities. Using boy slaves and prostitutes for their own perverse pleasure. Think Epstein.

Nothing to do with homosexuality.
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Yea, whatever. You can go to camp with Jarod, join those who have an agenda to change the meaning of ancient words and believe what you wish on this.
 
leaningright said:
In our language no doubt the two words are different, but looking at the Greek word that is translated “sodomite” it appears that’s what the writer meant.



I have studied some but am not by any stretch of the imagination an expert in Greek so I must defer to someone who is. The above is from Strong’s. I have studied others and those without an agenda seem to agree with Strong’s definition.

The truth of the matter is that the word “homosexual” didn’t appear in any Bible until 1946 (working on my feeble memory here so I could be off a year or two either way), which makes perfect sense because it is a relatively “new” word to refer to people engaging in such activity. But again, in the original Greek I have no doubt what/who is being referred to.
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This is the Bible verse explaining the sin of Sodom.

Ezekiel 16:49
New International Version

49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

So the sin was inhospitality and unwilling to help the poor people and needy and not welcoming the guests properly.

The word "sodomy" was defined later to mean anal sex.

Plus homosexuality is a sexual orientation. It's an attraction. Nothing to do with anal sex. Every time certain people hears that word, anal sex always immediately comes to their minds. It's a conditioning.
 
AProudLefty said:
I gave you a verse to explain the sin of Sodom. I didn't change anything.
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I cannot continue this discussion right now and it might be a few days before I can get back to it. Depends on the weather. I don’t want you to think I’m abandoning the discussion though…I’m enjoying it and it is good exercise for me. TBC
 
leaningright said:
I cannot continue this discussion right now and it might be a few days before I can get back to it. Depends on the weather. I don’t want you to think I’m abandoning the discussion though…I’m enjoying it and it is good exercise for me. TBC
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Me too. It's a very interesting discussion. I do agree with you about people voting with their beliefs. That's a problem.
 
leaningright said:
Yea, whatever. You can go to camp with Jarod, join those who have an agenda to change the meaning of ancient words and believe what you wish on this.
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What ancient words are being changed? Do you know the penalty for eating pork? Dishonoring your mother or your father?

Have you ever eaten pork or badmouthed either of your parents? Ever?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
What ancient words are being changed? Do you know the penalty for eating pork? Dishonoring your mother or your father?

Have you ever eaten pork or badmouthed either of your parents? Ever?
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Jesus had something to say about Sodom.

Matthew 10:5-15
New International Version

5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
 
AProudLefty said:
Jesus had something to say about Sodom.

Matthew 10:5-15
New International Version

5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
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The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was ancient history to Jesus with about the same amount of time between Jesus and Sodom versus the time between us and Jesus. The destruction passed on into legend over the millennia. It's natural to wonder "why them?" just like it's natural for survivors to say "Why me?"

In the end, it's those who write the history books that define history. Science can verify or clarify the truth.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Sodom-and-Gomorrah/Religious-views
Sodom and Gomorrah are possibly located under or adjacent to the shallow waters south of Al-Lisān, a former peninsula in the central part of the Dead Sea in Israel that now fully separates the sea’s northern and southern basins. They presumably were devastated about 1900 BCE by an earthquake in the Dead Sea area of the East African Rift System, an extensive geologic rift extending southward from the Jordan River valley in Israel to the Zambezi River system in eastern Africa. Archaeological evidence indicates that the area was once fertile, in the Middle Bronze Age (c. 2000–c. 1550 BCE), with fresh water flowing into the Dead Sea in sufficient amounts to sustain agriculture.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was ancient history to Jesus with about the same amount of time between Jesus and Sodom versus the time between us and Jesus. The destruction passed on into legend over the millennia. It's natural to wonder "why them?" just like it's natural for survivors to say "Why me?"

In the end, it's those who write the history books that define history.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Sodom-and-Gomorrah/Religious-views
Sodom and Gomorrah are possibly located under or adjacent to the shallow waters south of Al-Lisān, a former peninsula in the central part of the Dead Sea in Israel that now fully separates the sea’s northern and southern basins. They presumably were devastated about 1900 BCE by an earthquake in the Dead Sea area of the East African Rift System, an extensive geologic rift extending southward from the Jordan River valley in Israel to the Zambezi River system in eastern Africa. Archaeological evidence indicates that the area was once fertile, in the Middle Bronze Age (c. 2000–c. 1550 BCE), with fresh water flowing into the Dead Sea in sufficient amounts to sustain agriculture.
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I have read that the sand had turned into glass. That suggests atomic bomb. Or a meteor strike.
 
AProudLefty said:
I have read that the sand had turned into glass. That suggests atomic bomb. Or a meteor strike.
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Around the same time two cities in southern Syria were wiped out by a volcano with Sodom and Gomorrah wiped out by flood. The theory I recall is that the stories were conflated over the hundreds of years into one cataclysmic destruction closer to home.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
No, I didn't know.

Was it more accurate?
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Yes I think so. Cannot recall the details but it was about a woman crying out and God heard her IIRC. I'll look for it later.

Genesis 18:20-23 King James Version (KJV)
And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

What cry or whose cry or cries? Apparently they were suffering there.

BTW, here's an article that suggests that you might be right. Well I mean the heat aspect. "Fire and brimstone" suggests coming from the sky.

https://scitechdaily.com/sodom-and-gomorrah-evidence-that-a-cosmic-impact-destroyed-a-biblical-city-in-the-jordan-valley/
 
AProudLefty said:
Yes I think so. Cannot recall the details but it was about a woman crying out and God heard her IIRC. I'll look for it later.

Genesis 18:20-23 King James Version (KJV)
And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

What cry or whose cry or cries? Apparently they were suffering there.

BTW, here's an article that suggests that you might be right. Well I mean the heat aspect. "Fire and brimstone" suggests coming from the sky.

https://scitechdaily.com/sodom-and-gomorrah-evidence-that-a-cosmic-impact-destroyed-a-biblical-city-in-the-jordan-valley/
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Thanks for the link. IMHO, the legend of Sodom and Gomorrah is a conflation of complete cities destroyed for mysterious reasons. Being whacked by a space ice ball or rock would definitely catch people's attention.

A comet/ice ball was also thought to have caused the major events about 12,800 years ago.

https://cometresearchgroup.org/comets-diamonds-mammoths/#impact-overview
YOUNGER DRYAS IMPACT OVERVIEW
1. Sudden return of Ice Age temperatures 12,800 years ago
3. Sudden, major change in the Clovis culture
✓10s of millions animals went extinct in a short time
✓Mammoths, mastodons, and saber-toothed tigers disappeared
✓The last similar event was more than 3.5 million years ago
✓After about 1400 years of warming, temperatures plunged 10°C (50°F)
✓That abrupt change is called the Younger Dryas (YD) cooling episode
✓ It is the most unusual cooling event in about 2 million years
✓The use of distinctive Clovis spear points suddenly stopped
✓Human population levels plunged by about 30 to 60%
 
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