How do you determine who is illegal?
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Yakuda
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first things is stop the illegals from entering. next when arrested if you cant prove you're here legally get the fuck out. next they know who was suspposed to show up for court hearing who didnt track them down and throw them the fuck out. Next check with employers in industries with high illegals in their employ. Prove youre here legally or get the fuck out. Its rather simple dipshit
Have you ever heard of the 5th Amendment?
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Retired Teacher
A person who is here legally won't have any problem providing you with information....
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Retired Teacher
There won't be any problems....
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Retired Teacher
I don't take anything but Aspirin... And that's taken with water... But if you want to call your "routine" little pills and special medicine I understand and will respect that....
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Retired Teacher
Why do you need to plead the fifth if you have nothing to hide?
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Retired Teacher
Not at all...why?
Because you asked that question, you see, it does not matter why someone choses to refuse to help the government to prosecute them, they have the right to refuse, and refusing cannot be used against you.
So, when a suspected illegal refuses, how will the authorities determine if they are illegal?
christiefan915
Catalyst
Indeed.
"Former President Donald Trump invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination Wednesday during a deposition before lawyers from New York Attorney General Letitia James' office in its probe into the Trump Organization's business practices.
The deposition lasted four hours, and the only question the former president answered was about his name, Trump attorney Ron Fischetti told NBC News.
A source with knowledge of the deposition said Trump took the Fifth more than 440 times."
Trump invokes Fifth Amendment nearly 450 times in N.Y. AG’s civil probe of his business practices
An attorney for Trump said the former president answered only one question, about his name, during the four-hour deposition.
www.nbcnews.com
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Retired Teacher
But why refuse if you have nothing to hide? If someone refuses to cooperate when asked for identification or documentation that pretty much determines that are most likely illegal... so on to step two...I'm quite sure there will be many other defined steps in the process...
Usually people refuse because they do have something to hide.
The authorities are prohibited from using a refusal to cooperate as a reason to determine if they are most likely illegal. Action based on a refusal to incriminate oneself is prohibited by the 5th Amendment.
You cant go to a judge and say, "the evidence I have is that he invoked his 5th Amendment rights."
So, this begs the question, how do you determine if someone is here illegally?
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Retired Teacher
Well if you have something to hide then you probably have something to worry about... There are many
Other ways as you know the determine if someone is here illegally.... Refusing to cooperate just makes the process a little longer....
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Simple. Start by enforcing the 'real ID' laws and expand these to all cases where ID is required. No real ID, no whatever. That means if an illegal with a driver's license but not a real ID is stopped for a traffic violation, they end up arrested for illegal entry.
If someone refuses to answer any questions from a law enforcement officer, etc., which is their right, the officer does have the option to arrest them and take them to a police station for identification without their consent as they have been arrested. It simply prolongs the process and makes it more painful in the end.