How do you determine who is illegal?

Jarod said:
Under what grounds do you ask someone?
Are we going to use profiling?
How do you determine someone entered illegally?
How do you prove where someone was born if they will not even tell you their name?
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How did they determine the POS that set the lady on fire in NYC entered illegally?
 
Jarod said:
I understand your feelings that an uncooperative person has something to hide, but it does not answer the question about what evidence they would use to prosecute or deport an uncooperative person?
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Fingerprints checked against international records for a start. Once arrested they can be searched. This means if they have identification on them in a purse or wallet it's likely to be found. If a vehicle was involved, eg., a traffic stop, then the vehicle's owner, if not the person driving or in it, can be contacted. That too will indicate who they are.

Then there's facial recognition technology. Not used everywhere but another method to determine who someone is. In Japan for instance, anyone entering the country is photographed for this purpose today.

If the person were already under arrest for some other thing, the likelihood in this scenario, then they can be held without bail on the grounds they represent an unknown and potential risk to the public.
 
Jarod said:
So they have to be stopped first? At least that is something. What is the penalty for running a stop sign?
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Yes, that would be the norm. If you ran a stop sign, the officer in most states has the choice of writing the ticket as a civil or criminal charge. That is, you could get a misdemeanor charge for it. That gives the officer the right to arrest you if necessary. So, if you are uncooperative after being stopped, the officer arrests you, you go to the police station and get put through the wringer like anyone else.
 
Jarod said:
How do you check if someone has physical paperwork on file if they wont tell you their name?
So, if they ask me and I refuse to answer, does that make me an illegal?
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In some states, you must provide your name to law enforcement if you are stopped and asked to identify yourself!!!!


And if u are asked your name by a cop you wouldn't tell them?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Fingerprints checked against international records for a start. Once arrested they can be searched. This means if they have identification on them in a purse or wallet it's likely to be found. If a vehicle was involved, eg., a traffic stop, then the vehicle's owner, if not the person driving or in it, can be contacted. That too will indicate who they are.

Then there's facial recognition technology. Not used everywhere but another method to determine who someone is. In Japan for instance, anyone entering the country is photographed for this purpose today.

If the person were already under arrest for some other thing, the likelihood in this scenario, then they can be held without bail on the grounds they represent an unknown and potential risk to the public.
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I agree you will get some progress with people already arrested or newly arrested for some crime.

Otherwise, your ideas are on the right track, but it would be very expensive and difficult to get the masses trump is talking about.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Yes, that would be the norm. If you ran a stop sign, the officer in most states has the choice of writing the ticket as a civil or criminal charge. That is, you could get a misdemeanor charge for it. That gives the officer the right to arrest you if necessary. So, if you are uncooperative after being stopped, the officer arrests you, you go to the police station and get put through the wringer like anyone else.
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There is no such criminal charge in Florida, but maybe in other states. Most of the illegals I know do not drive.
 
volsrock1 said:
In some states, you must provide your name to law enforcement if you are stopped and asked to identify yourself!!!!


And if u are asked your name by a cop you wouldn't tell them?
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I likely would tell an officer my name, but if I were illegal, I would make up a very popular name, like (if I were Hispanic) Juan Gonzalez.
 
Jarod said:
So you believe prosecutors could use the fact that a person does not have a "Real ID" as evidence of them being illegally in the United States?

You think most of these "illegals" you are talking about are taking vacations on airplanes and have American bank accounts?
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Paperwork has to be somewhere...or they're not here legally...
 
Jarod said:
So you believe prosecutors could use the fact that a person does not have a "Real ID" as evidence of them being illegally in the United States?
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It's a starting point, not the be-all, end-all of evidence. If you lacked a Real ID, and were subsequently found to be in the US illegally, then prosecutors have evidence of that crime and you can be tried for illegal entry and if found guilty, deported.
Jarod said:
You think most of these "illegals" you are talking about are taking vacations on airplanes and have American bank accounts?
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Many illegals do have American bank accounts. Many make wire transfers out of the country. Whether an illegal is flying or driving, they need identification on them to do so. If stopped for a traffic offense, you have to produce a driver's license along with insurance and vehicle registration. You won't or can't, you're likely going to jail as a result of the stop. That's as true of idiot Sovereign citizens as it legal residents, and it equally applies to illegals in the US.
 
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Jarod said:
I agree you will get some progress with people already arrested or newly arrested for some crime.

Otherwise, your ideas are on the right track, but it would be very expensive and difficult to get the masses trump is talking about.
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Actually, when faced with a crackdown that likely means they're going to jail and be deported, a good portion will self-deport. When Arizona cracked down on illegal immigration in the 80's and 90's, over half the state's population of illegals either fled the country or to another state, usually California.

Enforcement takes care of a good chunk of the problem on its own.
 
TOP said:
They either have documentation or they don't....
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It seems to me, in your mind, police will be walking up to people randomly on the street and asking for documentation that they are here legally and then deporting them if they cannot produce any such documentation. Is that what you are expecting?

Do you not see any problems with that?
 
Jarod said:
There is no such criminal charge in Florida, but maybe in other states. Most of the illegals I know do not drive.
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Yes, most traffic offenses in Florida can be charged as criminal if the officer determines it is warranted.

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T. A. Gardner said:
It's a starting point, not the be-all, end-all of evidence. If you lacked a Real ID, and were subsequently found to be in the US illegally, then prosecutors have evidence of that crime and you can be tried for illegal entry and if found guilty, deported.

Many illegals do have American bank accounts. Many make wire transfers out of the country. Whether an illegal is flying or driving, they need identification on them to do so. If stopped for a traffic offense, you have to produce a driver's license along with insurance and vehicle registration. You won't or can't, you're likely going to jail as a result of the stop. That's as true of idiot Sovereign citizens as it legal residents, and it equally applies to illegals in the US.
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Many states allow illegals to get Drivers Licenses.

You said IF they are found to be here illegally... that is my question, how are they "found to be here illegally?"
 
Jarod said:
It seems to me, in your mind, police will be walking up to people randomly on the street and asking for documentation that they are here legally and then deporting them if they cannot produce any such documentation. Is that what you are expecting?

Do you not see any problems with that?
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No, that's in your mind only...That won't have to happen...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Yes, most traffic offenses in Florida can be charged as criminal if the officer determines it is warranted.

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Some can, not stop sign's.
 
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