How do you determine who is illegal?

T. A. Gardner said:
Simple. Start by enforcing the 'real ID' laws and expand these to all cases where ID is required. No real ID, no whatever. That means if an illegal with a driver's license but not a real ID is stopped for a traffic violation, they end up arrested for illegal entry.

If someone refuses to answer any questions from a law enforcement officer, etc., which is their right, the officer does have the option to arrest them and take them to a police station for identification without their consent as they have been arrested. It simply prolongs the process and makes it more painful in the end.
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You will show us your papers, please.
 
Jarod said:
Many states allow illegals to get Drivers Licenses.

You said IF they are found to be here illegally... that is my question, how are they "found to be here illegally?"
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They can't get a Real ID driver's license however. That's the point of making that the standard for initiating a check on citizenship.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
They can't get a Real ID driver's license however. That's the point of making that the standard for initiating a check on citizenship.
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And you think Congress is going to pass a law with such a requirement?

You would be okay with that kind of big government?
 
TOP said:
Paperwork....

Not the way you see it "playing out".... You think officials are going to wing it out on the street...That's hilarious....
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Where do they get the "paperwork"?

So tell me, how do you see it happening? I do not see a reasonable and legal way of doing it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's the base law. The exception that criminalizes it is other actions done in conjunction with the act or based on previous driving history.
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Ok, but my example was a simple running of a stop sign, most of the time its not a crime.
 
Jarod said:
Ok, but my example was a simple running of a stop sign, most of the time its not a crime.
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True. But if you don't have the Real ID and refuse to cooperate with the officer, you are likely going to jail and being charged criminally.

This is a sovereign citizen stop. No driver's license, refuses to cooperate, etc. He's going to jail.

 
T. A. Gardner said:
True. But if you don't have the Real ID and refuse to cooperate with the officer, you are likely going to jail and being charged criminally.

This is a sovereign citizen stop. No driver's license, refuses to cooperate, etc. He's going to jail.

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If you do not have a Real ID and refuse to cooperate with the officer, what are you going to jail for, or being charged with criminally?

Are you OK with this law?
 
Jarod said:
Where do they get the "paperwork"?

So tell me, how do you see it happening? I do not see a reasonable and legal way of doing it.
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You seem to have plenty of time....Sit back, watch, listen, and learn... it's going to be a long, successful process... If you're super concerned, look around your hood and offer your services pro bono....
 
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