How great the USA would have been minus a right wing

[katzgar]

Right-wingers gave us the American Revolution and end to slavery, among other things... What has the Left given America other than higher taxes and less freedom?

You need to stop being a moron all right-wingers give us his hate

 

[katzgar]

The Silicon in Silicon Valley is in Arizona and Texas. All that's left are the software people and they're mostly corporate slaves... Hollywood has largely left California because of environmental, health, and safety rules. Filming is done elsewhere mostly now. All that's left are the studios turned into amusement parks.
Aerospace? Almost all gone from Blue states to Red ones. Auto manufacturing? Same thing.

https://judiciaryreport.com/hollywo...ollywood stars,tent cities, violent crime.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...od-Apocalypse-rich-famous-fleeing-droves.html


https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/why-movie-industry-fleeing-california/
https://variety.com/2014/film/news/...-shooting-elsewhere-to-save-money-1201125523/


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-film-california-idUKKBN0FU01V20140725



Wall Street is in NYC but that's running on inertia.

That's now, but not then...

This is literally one of the stupidest posts ever made on the internet at any time ever

 

[T. A. Gardner]

This is literally one of the stupidest posts ever made on the internet at any time ever

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself...

 

[PostmodernProphet]

How great the USA would have been minus a right wing

by now, we could have been as great as Venezuela......

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

The Republicans have never been the same since Nixon turned out to be a crook!

It's as if they are still trying to blame the Democrats for his getting caught.

This is also where they started accusing the Media of being biased and claiming to being victimized by them.

AND SO THE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON JIMMY CARTER BEGAN. DAMNING HIM IF HE DID- AND DAMNING HIM IF HE DIDN'T- AND CLAIMING HE WAS THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER. Politics got meaner and nastier on their side of the aisle- and it just became a way of their party.

It has become a political standard for them- YOU MUST HATE YOUR POLITICAL ADVERSARIES TO BE ON BOARD WITH THEM.

Lie- Cheat- Steal- KILL- anything to win.

And so, may I introduce you to the result of all of their decades of pent up hatred for others- THEIR CHOSEN LEADER- THE SOUL OF THEIR PARTY- DONALD TRUMP!

Donald Trump saw this huge ball of hate- and said to himself- I can exploit this hatred for my own financial benefit- I can totally corrupt all three branches of the government and abuse my Executive powers to keep myself out of jail! I could even kill someone on 5th avenue in broad daylight, and they would still worship me and kiss my ass!

AND EVEN AFTER ALL OF THIS GOING ON FOR 4 LONG YEARS- THEY ALL VOTED FOR HIM AGAIN!

Whoever said- "Hate Begets Hate"- knew exactly what they were talking about.

Hateful people want the most hateful people they can find to be their leaders!

Republicans- You earned it- YOU ARE NOW OFFICIALLY THE PARTY OF HATRED, CORRUPTION, and ANARCHY!

White Nationalist marching in Charlottesville- Donald Trump referred to them as "Good People"!

A recent biography of George 111 demonstrates pretty conclusively that he was immensely more competent, decent and law-abiding than Trump. This indicates, I think, just what the US would be if the Right had been in control - it would have gone downhill all the way, at least until the French took over.

 

[katzgar]

go for it

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Cinnabar,

The very things that would enable it to thrive for all...health-wise, educationally, culturally, ecologically, etc. have been stymied and/or destroyed by the right. That is the sadness and shame of it all...the "what could have been." A decimated potential.

The USA is the exemplification of all human emotions and the societal representation of maturity vs immaturity.

It is greed vs altruism.

It is responsibility vs irresponsibility.

Selfishness vs compassion.

It is freedom to express oneself in a desire to be an active responsible part of a functional society, or to be a self-centered greedy jerk.

Our politics reflects all of this. Our Constitution allows us the freedom to let this all play out.

The internet and social media allow us to share information, but there is no guarantee that the information is correct.

The power of great wealth in the wrong hands seeks to expand it's own personal wealth while shutting others out.

Big power + greed seeks to keep the masses stupid so that it is easier to take advantage of them. That's why education languishes. The greedy don't want smart masses.

Since there are so many dumb people out there who become easy targets for schemes to take advantage of them, the [powerful who are immoral] (as opposed to the powerful who are responsible) seek to get the unknowing to work their entire lives away adding to the wealth of the already wealthy.

Tabloids and talking heads aggressively mind-condition the unknowing and unaware to be good servants of the greedy and powerful by spreading rumors.

Why do you think we don't have a much better education system in the USA?

We certainly could if we wanted it.

It is those at the top who refuse to share the wealth. They have made it to the top (or were born into it) and pulled the ladder up after them.

And then they wonder what they should do with all their money.

They find that having it is not enough.

Money merely makes a good life possible. It doesn't buy it.

Relationships and social service are what makes a good life.

Contributing to humanity. Improving the planet. Improving the USA. Having great relationships with good people.

Those things are rewarding. Building wealth is merely a tool to an end. It cannot be the end.

That is why those who achieve great wealth can't stop.

You would think that once you make it to easy street the thing to do is kick back and enjoy the wealth.

But the greedy don't do that. Even after they 'have it made' they keep working, keep screwing society, keep trying to build more wealth.

For what?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I find it hilarious that for the Left their defense is to bring up Trump and try to make this all about him. The TDS never stops...

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

With Leftists running the US it would have ended up like the Balkans only poorer...

There is nothing--NOTHING-- the Left would have contributed to America that was a positive. They'd have run it into the ground and divided it like a sausage grinder...

Thank you for the extreme right position on this...

We look beyond this kind of post to the more reasonable and realistic contributions to the conversation.

 

[BidenPresident]

Hello T. A. Gardner,



Thank you for the extreme right position on this...

We look beyond this kind of post to the more reasonable and realistic contributions to the conversation.

Gardner is a right wing ideologue. Cannot take him seriously anymore.

 

[PoliTalker]

Great story, guno!

A Day in the Life of Joe Republican
Joe gets up at 6:00 am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good, clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and efficacy. All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance. Now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry. Joe takes his morning shower, reaching for his shampoo; his bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know the amount and identity of the substances he was putting on his body.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor to society. Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer upholds these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed hell get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some Liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It's noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression. Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

Joe is home from work, and he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to his dad's; his car is among the safest in the world be cause some wacko liberal (Ralph Nader!) fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmer's Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home. He turns on a radio talk show. The host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefi that Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees. "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives", he says. "After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have".

 

[AProudLefty]

What were the goals of the revolution?

To fee the American colonies from a totalitarian Monarchy
To give Americans a whole slew of rights no other country on the planet at that time got
To keep government out of American's lives to the maximum extent possible

If it were Leftist, it'd have looked more like the French revolution. That is, once successful, a dictatorship would have taken over, large numbers of people executed, and a strong central government formed.

You realize that it was leftists who opposed monarchy during the French revolution, right?

 

[AProudLefty]

I find it hilarious that for the Left their defense is to bring up Trump and try to make this all about him. The TDS never stops...

I find it hilarious that you are trying to defend Trump. Your TDS never stops.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Geeko Sportivo,

The Republicans have never been the same since Nixon turned out to be a crook!

It's as if they are still trying to blame the Democrats for his getting caught.

This is also where they started accusing the Media of being biased and claiming to being victimized by them.

AND SO THE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON JIMMY CARTER BEGAN. DAMNING HIM IF HE DID- AND DAMNING HIM IF HE DIDN'T- AND CLAIMING HE WAS THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER. Politics got meaner and nastier on their side of the aisle- and it just became a way of their party.

It has become a political standard for them- YOU MUST HATE YOUR POLITICAL ADVERSARIES TO BE ON BOARD WITH THEM.

And that was just about where Newt Gingrich entered politics.

Lie- Cheat- Steal- KILL- anything to win.

And so, may I introduce you to the result of all of their decades of pent up hatred for others- THEIR CHOSEN LEADER- THE SOUL OF THEIR PARTY- DONALD TRUMP!

Donald Trump saw this huge ball of hate- and said to himself- I can exploit this hatred for my own financial benefit- I can totally corrupt all three branches of the government and abuse my Executive powers to keep myself out of jail! I could even kill someone on 5th avenue in broad daylight, and they would still worship me and kiss my ass!

AND EVEN AFTER ALL OF THIS GOING ON FOR 4 LONG YEARS- THEY ALL VOTED FOR HIM AGAIN!

Whoever said- "Hate Begets Hate"- knew exactly what they were talking about.

Well, that's a big problem because there is so much reflexive hatred on the left as a result of the hatred and intransigence coming from the right.

Hateful people want the most hateful people they can find to be their leaders!

I'm glad the left is not that hateful yet. We need to stand for peace, love and understanding. The right has lost it's soul. If that happens to the left there will be nobody to save us from the right.

Republicans- You earned it- YOU ARE NOW OFFICIALLY THE PARTY OF HATRED, CORRUPTION, and ANARCHY!

White Nationalist marching in Charlottesville- Donald Trump referred to them as "Good People"!

Got that right.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

Let's see...

The Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA) of 1974 was Republican and signed into law by Richard Nixon.
The first food and drug law was passed in 1906 and signed into law by Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican

Widespread use of medical insurance came about as a result of FDR's wage and price controls in WW 2 forcing employers to find "wages-in-kind" to entice a tight labor market to work for them. It was bad policy that created that situation.

The Consumer Product Safety Act (CPSA) of 1972 was another Republican / Nixon thing...




EPA? Nixon and Republicans
Public transportation, mainly a Progressive / Leftist thing is a poor quality, inefficient, and unprofitable system of transportation that few use unless they have no choice. I guess "Joe" was forced into it by other bad Leftist policies.... It takes Joe three times longer to get to work than if he drove, and when he gets there he sees an article in the paper about Democrats wanting to raise his taxes to offset the major losses public transit is suffering...

National Highway Safety Administration? 1970 Republicans and Nixon...

Better look up the history of unions. Almost nothing Joe enjoys was because of them. That's why he isn't in one today...




Um, that's the the FDIC created in 1932 by the Glass Steagall act in a bi-partisan vote by Congress. It isn't due to anything "liberal(s) wanted."
That Joe took out a student loan is on him. If he can't repay it, that too is on him. But because universities saw a cash cow in student loans Joe's education costs were double what they otherwise would have been as the university milked him for everything they could using the student loan system.



NHSA-- Nixon and Republicans, remember?
Depends on where his dad's farm is as to whether it go put into that program... But since Progressive Leftists want to tax the snot out of inheritances, Joe isn't going to see anything out of it when his father passes. Instead the big government state will take the property and do whatever with the money, but nothing for Joe...



This is because the Leftist writing the above has been fed a lifetime of bullshit and lies by other Leftists in the hopes that he'll believe that and bring about a Socialist-totalitarian state run by either Fascists or Communists...

A little inheritance is a wonderful thing. A fine parting gift.

A big inheritance is like a curse. It first deprives the recipient of the chance to prove himself or herself, prove that they can 'make it' in this world. It also causes the recipient to feel a sense of guilt that they didn't earn it, causing them to try to increase the size of the fortune. That is most easily done by simply investing in conservative mutuals, but idiots like Trump think they have to go out and rip others off to increase it, likely in his case because that's how it was created, through deception and fraud.

We should tax large inheritances very aggressively, but not tax small inheritances at all. Large = millions +. Small = hundreds of thousands or less.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

Any country goes broke when the Left runs it. Look at the USSR. Russia had, and has incredible resources. Their schools sucked. The Nazis ran Germany into the ground. Chavez and Maduro took a thriving country and destroyed in less than 20 years. Castro took Cuba from the top economy to the second worst and kept it there. Only Haiti was worse.

Even the French revolution. That gave the world Napoleon and several decades of unending war. The Left fucks everything they touch up.

Nazis were left? The rest? Nothing but a bunch of cherry-picking to support prejudice. Would France have been better off with the monarchy? What was the average standard of living prior to the French Revolution? And how do these historical cherry-picked instances apply to modern USA? Sure, there are lessons to be learned from history but 'liberalism bad' is not a rational conclusion.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Iolo/Penderyn,

A recent biography of George 111 demonstrates pretty conclusively that he was immensely more competent, decent and law-abiding than Trump. This indicates, I think, just what the US would be if the Right had been in control - it would have gone downhill all the way, at least until the French took over.

It should totally be pointed out that if it were not for the French there would not BE a USA.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

I find it hilarious that for the Left their defense is to bring up Trump and try to make this all about him. The TDS never stops...

So if anyone criticizes Trump they have TDS?

Didn't you say you are not a Trump supporter?

Should there not be the freedom of speech to criticize a president or party leader?

Is that not a legitimate thing to do?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Nazis were left?

Yes, very much so.

The rest? Nothing but a bunch of cherry-picking to support prejudice. Would France have been better off with the monarchy? What was the average standard of living prior to the French Revolution?

This is a false equivalence coupled with a non-sequitur. Whether France was better off still under a monarchy or not, the Left took over in the revolution and in most ways drove France into the ground. First, they sought all those they thought might oppose the revolution and murdered them (the Terror for example). They then turned on religion hoping to stomp it out entirely. At every turn, the heads of what government was in place sought to increase their totalitarian grip on the country.

https://www.thoughtco.com/french-revolution-the-terror-1793-94-1221883

Things didn't get much better once the revolution was firmly now the new government. Defending the revolution took precedence to all else and society was turned to making weapons and raising an army for that purpose. This is in good part because much of the rest of Europe was against the revolution in France to begin with. What ensued was nearly two decades of warfare in what might be described as close to a world war (that's because fighting did occur in the Americas, Asia, and Africa along with Europe--Napoleon took Egypt for example).

I don't think the average person's life in France was bettered by that.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Hello T. A. Gardner,



So if anyone criticizes Trump they have TDS?

Didn't you say you are not a Trump supporter?

Should there not be the freedom of speech to criticize a president or party leader?

Is that not a legitimate thing to do?

No, bringing up Trump in a discussion about the origins of the US and whether it would have been better off without the Right through all of its history is pretty much textbook TDS, especially when those bringing it up want to make it central to their argument.