How Long Will The Shutdown Last.
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Diogenes
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T. A. Gardner
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You are a stone cold idiot. The House passed a continuing resolution (CR) to keep the government open and funded as it current was at the time. That was done pretty much along party lines with the Republicans having a slim majority of votes.
That CR went to the Senate where it needed 60 votes. Chuck Schumer and the Democrats refused to vote for that CR. They offered an alternative that had riders attached to provide funding for at least 2 years at roughly $1.5 trillion to keep the federal government funding expanded Medicaid under Obamacare that had expired both under the original legislation and then under the BBB.
The Republicans refused to vote approval of a CR with $1.5 trillion in new spending attached saying that it could be negotiated after a "clean" (without any new spending) CR was passed to keep the government open for a few more months. The Democrats refused.
Looming health insurance spikes for millions are at the heart of the government shutdown
The federal government's shut down centers around Democrats insisting that any deal addressing their health care demands and Republicans saying those negotiations can wait until the government is funded.
apnews.com
What are Democrats' demands in the government shutdown fight?
The Democrats want to extend Obamacare subsidies and stop cuts to Medicaid.
Why is the government shut down? How Medicaid, Obamacare are dividing Congress
Federal funding cuts to Medicaid and the expiration of subsidies for Obamacare are the key disputes between Republicans and Democrats in the shutdown.
www.usatoday.com
So, how the fuck was this Trump's fault? Go ahead, explain that. Your current explanation is totally delusional. My explanation is backed by virtually every semi-reliable to accurate news outlet on the planet. Your version is, I don't know, backed by your personal delusions?
Diogenes
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Diogenes
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So you lied again. The resolution demanded that Dems cede some things they could not.You are a stone cold idiot. The House passed a continuing resolution (CR) to keep the government open and funded as it current was at the time. That was done pretty much along party lines with the Republicans having a slim majority of votes.
That CR went to the Senate where it needed 60 votes. Chuck Schumer and the Democrats refused to vote for that CR. They offered an alternative that had riders attached to provide funding for at least 2 years at roughly $1.5 trillion to keep the federal government funding expanded Medicaid under Obamacare that had expired both under the original legislation and then under the BBB.
The Republicans refused to vote approval of a CR with $1.5 trillion in new spending attached saying that it could be negotiated after a "clean" (without any new spending) CR was passed to keep the government open for a few more months. The Democrats refused.
Looming health insurance spikes for millions are at the heart of the government shutdown
The federal government's shut down centers around Democrats insisting that any deal addressing their health care demands and Republicans saying those negotiations can wait until the government is funded.
What are Democrats' demands in the government shutdown fight?
The Democrats want to extend Obamacare subsidies and stop cuts to Medicaid.www.marketplace.org
Why is the government shut down? How Medicaid, Obamacare are dividing Congress
Federal funding cuts to Medicaid and the expiration of subsidies for Obamacare are the key disputes between Republicans and Democrats in the shutdown.www.usatoday.com
So, how the fuck was this Trump's fault? Go ahead, explain that. Your current explanation is totally delusional. My explanation is backed by virtually every semi-reliable to accurate news outlet on the planet. Your version is, I don't know, backed by your personal delusions?
I agree with what Trump said many times. A shutdown is the presidents fault. https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/oct/01/government-shutdown-Trump-Democrats-Obamacare/ You Trumplestilskins are such suckers.You are a stone cold idiot. The House passed a continuing resolution (CR) to keep the government open and funded as it current was at the time. That was done pretty much along party lines with the Republicans having a slim majority of votes.
That CR went to the Senate where it needed 60 votes. Chuck Schumer and the Democrats refused to vote for that CR. They offered an alternative that had riders attached to provide funding for at least 2 years at roughly $1.5 trillion to keep the federal government funding expanded Medicaid under Obamacare that had expired both under the original legislation and then under the BBB.
The Republicans refused to vote approval of a CR with $1.5 trillion in new spending attached saying that it could be negotiated after a "clean" (without any new spending) CR was passed to keep the government open for a few more months. The Democrats refused.
Looming health insurance spikes for millions are at the heart of the government shutdown
The federal government's shut down centers around Democrats insisting that any deal addressing their health care demands and Republicans saying those negotiations can wait until the government is funded.
What are Democrats' demands in the government shutdown fight?
The Democrats want to extend Obamacare subsidies and stop cuts to Medicaid.
Why is the government shut down? How Medicaid, Obamacare are dividing Congress
Federal funding cuts to Medicaid and the expiration of subsidies for Obamacare are the key disputes between Republicans and Democrats in the shutdown.www.usatoday.com
So, how the fuck was this Trump's fault? Go ahead, explain that. Your current explanation is totally delusional. My explanation is backed by virtually every semi-reliable to accurate news outlet on the planet. Your version is, I don't know, backed by your personal delusions?
Diogenes
Nemo me impune lacessit
The clean CR merely continued the status quo. No funding changes are in it. Democrats are demanding changes.
T. A. Gardner
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Cede what? The resolution the House passed stated that the government would continue to be funded as currently provided by law. The Democrats could negotiate any changes on that in the final spending bills to be passed. So, what did they "cede?"
Oh, so now, suddenly, political rhetoric is reality because it suits your argument, hum? The shutdown is the Democrat's fault because Congress controls spending and the budget, not the President.
Currently,?Trumps Big Ugly Bill will double the cost of healthcare for most Americans. Can you guess why Dems think that is wrong?
Can you make sense? The Reds have control of the House ,the Senate and the Executive. Now think abouit it. Who has the power?
In Trump's world, he controls everything and the GOP says yes sir. The House has power over tariffs. Hows that working out?
Diogenes
Nemo me impune lacessit
The budget proposal was submitted on May 2. OBBA has been law since July 4.
The 60-vote requirement for passing a Continuing Resolution (CR) in the U.S. Senate stems from the Senate's cloture rule, which is designed to end debate on a bill and proceed to a vote. A CR, which temporarily funds the government to prevent a shutdown, is typically subject to this rule like most other legislation.Under Senate Rule XXII, a cloture motion to end debate requires a three-fifths majority of the Senate, or 60 votes.
Now you want to repeal an existing law by shutting refusing to fund the government at existing levels until November 21? The government is shut down because only 3 Democrats voted to keep it open after the new fiscal year ended.
It doesn't work like that.
T. A. Gardner
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Bullshit. Obamacare AS WRITTEN BY THE DEMOCRATS is the cause of the problem here. They put into Obamacare two provisions that caused this issue, and they alone.
The first was funding to cover subsidies in the marketplace. Persons buying a personal health insurance policy simply switched from doing so without Obamacare to doing so under Obamacare because the legislation pretty much forced them to do so. Their new Obamacare policy was subsidized and that subsidy was supposed to be funded by a fund that the insurers paid into so over time the government wouldn't have to subsidize the plans. The reality was the insurers couldn't charge what was necessary to meet the level of funds needed for that so the government was going to have to subsidize those plans forever instead.
The Democrats since have been using half measures and continuing bills to cover the funding. That ended with the BBB and the Democrats are in a panic over the fallout of that since it's their voters that are most affected.
The second, and bigger issue, was expanded Medicaid. Not Medicare, Medicaid. Virtually all NEW health insurance coverage under Obamacare was due to this expansion. Worse for the Democrats, only the bluest states wholeheartedly adopted this plan. Most Republican, red, states either only adopted it in part or not at all.
So, now, health insurance (not care, insurance) costs for about 50 million Americans, split about evenly between Obamacare plans and expanded Medicaid (most of the latter in blue states), or about 15% of all Americans (about 330 million) are facing their health insurance plan either going up dramatically (about 7.5%) or going away (expanded Medicaid 7.5%).
The Democrats recognize the danger politically for them as it is mostly their voters that are going to get slammed. That's why they want $1.5 TRILLION IN NEW SPENDING added to the CR immediately rather than negotiate as the later is going to front them off as the spendaholoics and bad guys they are for setting up this asinine situation with Obamacare.
It's also pretty damn obvious, even if they haven't said it publicly, that they did it deliberately the way they did figuring that down the road the "temporary" subsidies would become permanent and solve their problem while putting the US on an irreversible course to shitty socialized healthcare as the costs spiraled out-of-control. What's actually happened is the BBB is killing off a big chunk of Obamacare and the likelihood is that at some point it will end up dead and gone. The Democrats sure don't want that--going back to the pre-Obamacare system.