HR 127 is a way to confiscate guns

[Bulletbob]

No worries, troll.

O your welcome my stupid friend

 

[Flash]

WRONG. It's to reduce or eliminate chances of voter fraud and election fraud.

How will extending the early voting period affect fraud? It is convenient both sides only want changes that are most likely to benefit them.


Into the Night 12/31 Currently, it looks like GA is going to choose Republican electors.
AZ looks like it might also, but seems to be further away from actually choosing

 

[Flash]

Idk what kinda babby shit you smoke to make you post such bullshit, but you should probably stop.

You must know be familiar with the incorporation/nationalization process. The Bill of Rights were added to the Constitution to protect our rights against the newly created central government which had a lot more power than the Articles of Confederation. 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, etc. only restricted the federal government, not the states. That began to change when the SC used the due process clause of the 14th Amendment to make freedom of speech apply to the states in 1925. Eventually, individual rights were applied to the states so that today most, but not all, of the Bill of Rights restricts the states. The last to be incorporated was the 2nd Amendment in 2010. A few rights still have not been incorporated---3rd amendment, jury trial in civil cases,......

This is basic constitutional law. Do some research.

I gave the case in which the federal court of appeals found gun registration constitutional.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

How will extending the early voting period affect fraud? It is convenient both sides only want changes that are most likely to benefit them.


Into the Night 12/31 Currently, it looks like GA is going to choose Republican electors.
AZ looks like it might also, but seems to be further away from actually choosing

It doesn't.

As proved in the last election, the system is secure. Despite Trump's attempts to thwart it, ballots were checked and rechecked. The outcome remained the same even in very close elections.

Despite all of Trump's bullshit and the idiots on this forum who don't know that a million blank ballots doesn't equal a million votes, Election 2020 was fair and secure.

 

[Flash]

WRONG. the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th amendments apply to the States WHEN THEY BECAME PART OF THE CONSTITUTION. The 1st amendment does NOT apply to the States. It specifically applies only to the federal government.

That changes the Constitution. It infringes on the right to own a gun, and is building a database to witness against yourself. No court has authority to change the Constitution.

No court has authority to interpret or change the Constitution.

They are unconstitutional.

Irrelevant. It CAN be used to confiscate it more easily, and it acts as a Scarlet Letter.

This is not the law. No court ruled any of the rights in the Bill of Rights applied to the states before 1925 and the 2nd was not made applicable until 2010. The court also upheld gun registration as constitutional.

Because you disagree with the decision does not make it wrong. It is the law and has been applied as such for the history of the nation.

Because you don't believe the federal courts interpret the Constitution just means you are probably part of no more than 1% of the population which argues against commonly accepted law.

The fact that federal and state laws exist which require gun registration means those laws are valid and applied every day. I am not arguing in favor of registration, just stating the fact that the courts ruled they are constitutional.

 

[Flash]

Go read the 9th amendment.

I have. Any freedoms existing in the 9th can be restricted under the police powers of the states. As you know, there are no rights listed in the 9th and the only court recognized right is the right to privacy that applies to contraception information and abortion.

 

[Flash]

You're a serious anti-Constitution and Anti-American nutbar.

I'm not anti-Constitution at all. You obviously did no research to learn about the incorporation/nationalization process.

I don't think a person so ignorant of constitutional law gets to decide who is anti-American. A good American would spend some time learning about law.

"Gitlow v. New York, legal case in which the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on June 8, 1925, that the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment protection of free speech, which states that the federal “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech,” applies also to state governments. The decision was the first in which the Supreme Court held that the Fourteenth Amendment’s due process clause requires state and federal governments to be held to the same standards in regulating speech.

 

[Into the Night]

That's just karma paying you back...

...therefore karma is a law.

 

[Into the Night]

There are rare times when the Constitution needs to be changed. The Constitution we have today is not the same document of 1789.

Did you know there is a specific procedure for that change? It doesn't include the courts in any way? I am not referring to the Constitution of 1789. I am referring to the one that exists today.

 

[Into the Night]

And I have explained how you are trying to compare airplanes and apples. They might both begin with "a" but only one of them is a fruit.

No, you have not explained anything. You have only discarded an argument without counter-argument. That's a fallacy, dude. It's called the Argument of the Stone. A 'talk to the hand' sort of thing.

 

[Into the Night]

How will extending the early voting period affect fraud? It is convenient both sides only want changes that are most likely to benefit them.

a) It gives more time to 'adjust the vote' via election fraud.
b) It introduces a biasing influence on those who vote on election day.
c) It increase the security risk of ballots.

 

[Into the Night]

You must know be familiar with the incorporation/nationalization process.

There isn't one.

The Bill of Rights were added to the Constitution to protect our rights against the newly created central government

Correct.

which had a lot more power than the Articles of Confederation.

No. It's the other way around. That's why it was reorganized.

1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, etc. only restricted the federal government, not the states.

WRONG. The 2nd through 10th amendments have ALWAYS applied to both the States and the federal government. The 1st amendment applies ONLY to the federal government.

That began to change when the SC used the due process clause of the 14th Amendment to make freedom of speech apply to the states in 1925.

The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution.

Eventually, individual rights were applied to the states so that today most, but not all, of the Bill of Rights restricts the states.

They always have.

The last to be incorporated was the 2nd Amendment in 2010.

Nope. The 2nd amendment applied to the States WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN.

A few rights still have not been incorporated---3rd amendment, jury trial in civil cases,......

WRONG. The 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments have always applied to the States.

This is basic constitutional law. Do some research.

The Constitution of the United States is the ONLY valid reference of the Constitution of the United States.

I gave the case in which the federal court of appeals found gun registration constitutional.

It is not constitutional. See the 2nd and 5th amendments. No court has authority to change the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

It doesn't.

It does.

As proved in the last election, the system is secure.

Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

Despite Trump's attempts to thwart it, ballots were checked and rechecked.
The outcome remained the same even in very close elections.

Counting the same fake ballots means nothing.

Despite all of Trump's bullshit and the idiots on this forum who don't know that a million blank ballots doesn't equal a million votes, Election 2020 was fair and secure.

There was no valid election. It faulted in at least seven States due to election fraud.

You are being irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

 

[Into the Night]

This is not the law.

The Constitution of the United States is the law, dude.

No court ruled any of the rights in the Bill of Rights applied to the states before 1925

No court has to. No court has the authority to change or interpret the Constitution.

and the 2nd was not made applicable until 2010.

The 2nd was applicable when it was ratified, long before 2010.

The court also upheld gun registration as constitutional.

The court does not have authority to change the Constitution.

Because you disagree with the decision does not make it wrong.

The court has no authority to make such a decision. It is wrong.

It is the law

No court has authority to write law or to change the Constitution.

and has been applied as such for the history of the nation.

You cannot change the Constitution by precedence.

Because you don't believe the federal courts interpret the Constitution just means you are probably part of no more than 1% of the population which argues against commonly accepted law.

You cannot change the Constitution by belief. No court ever had or has the authority to interpret or change the Constitution. See Article III.

The fact that federal and state laws exist which require gun registration means those laws are valid and applied every day.

You cannot change the Constitution by ignoring the Constitution.

I am not arguing in favor of registration,

Yes you are, liar.

just stating the fact that the courts ruled they are constitutional.

The courts do not have authority to change the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

I have. Any freedoms existing in the 9th can be restricted under the police powers of the states.

If, and ONLY if the States have that authority in their own constitutions. Otherwise, a State has no such authority either.

As you know, there are no rights listed in the 9th

There doesn't need to be. You are still ignoring the 9th amendment.

and the only court recognized right is the right to privacy that applies to contraception information and abortion.

No court has authority to change the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm not anti-Constitution at all.

Yes you are. You deny the Constitution. You don't recognize it, not the constitution of any State.

You obviously did no research to learn about the incorporation/nationalization process.

There isn't one.

I don't think a person so ignorant of constitutional law gets to decide who is anti-American.

The Constitution of the United States is the ONLY authoritative reference of the Constitution of the United States.

A good American would spend some time learning about law.

By your own definition, you are not a good American, since you have never read the Constitution of the United States.

"Gitlow v. New York, legal case in which the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on June 8, 1925, that the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment protection of free speech, which states that the federal “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech,” applies also to state governments. The decision was the first in which the Supreme Court held that the Fourteenth Amendment’s due process clause requires state and federal governments to be held to the same standards in regulating speech.

The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution. The 1st amendment does not apply to the States. The 14th amendment does not cancel the 1st amendment.

 

[TexanManWithPlans]

Did you know there is a specific procedure for that change? It doesn't include the courts in any way? I am not referring to the Constitution of 1789. I am referring to the one that exists today.

Yes. What does this have to do with the topic of discussion?

 

[Into the Night]

Yes. What does this have to do with the topic of discussion?

YOU brought it up, fucktwit.

 

[TexanManWithPlans]

YOU brought it up, fucktwit.

Name-calling fallacy.

 

[Flash]

Yes you are. You deny the Constitution. You don't recognize it, not the constitution of any State.

There isn't one.

You are the one who denies the Constitution by denying incorporation which makes you the "bad" American by refusing to learn basic constitutional principles included in all law books and and multiple Supreme Court cases. You also disagree with the founders who wrote the Constitution since they all knew the Bill of Rights was written to apply to the central government only.