Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Ignorance is no excuse when it comes to the law.
I had lunch today with Bill Barr.
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Ignorance is no excuse when it comes to the law.
Why has Trump refused to say in a court of law that he has declassified them?
By the way, if you bothered to read the law then you would know having information that can be used to harm the US is the crime. It doesn't need to be classified. But the biggest problem for Trump is his refusal to comply with the subpoena which asked for documents with classification markings. If the document contains classification markings it is covered by the subpoena even if he had declassified it.
Where is your proof that Biden was the one that took it from a SCIF and not one of his aides?
This wouldn't even make it to a jury with your evidence.
You mean the ones that require willfully and knowingly retaining classified documents?
Trump had a classified folder on his bedside table. Kind of hard to not know it was there since his lawyer claimed he used it to hide the light so he could sleep at night.
Trump de-classified the documents and he hasn't been asked in a court of law, dummy.
Correct. Ignorance of the law is no excuse when people claim a law was broken. Perhaps they need to stop being ignorant of the law and actually read the law.
Someone can't be found guilty of a law that requires willful intent if you can't prove willful intent.
ROFLMAO. Actually, his lawyers were asked. They refused to make that claim.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/21/trump-special-master-documents-declassified
https://time.com/6215223/special-master-mar-a-lago-documents-classified/
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/specific_intent
https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/specific-and-general-intent-crimes.html
specific intent crimes will require a prosecutor to prove that a defendant had both the desire to commit the act as well as the knowledge or intent that committing the act would achieve the end result.
https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/what-are-specific-intent-crimes/
While PC 470 uses the language, “intent to defraud,” other common intents listed in statutes include that the defendant acted:
knowingly,
purposely,
willfully, or
with recklessness.
If an accused did not break the law with one of these intent elements, then he/she cannot be found guilty of a specific intent offense.
Trump did not. There is a procedure and Trump certainly did not follow it. They were simply not declassified. I thought Trumpp was nuts when he said he could declassify everything by thinking about it. It seemed so stupid. I was certain nobody was dumb enough to think that made sense. We have a few people here who think that is how declassifying works. It is amazing.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Well, them classified documents back from when Biden was a Senator didn't find their way to his garage by osmosis.
No, they got there in boxes. Did you have a point, Sheriff?
Biden said he didn't know they were there. No one has any evidence he did know.
That makes it hard to prosecute a specific intent crime.
He had them returned when they were discovered. That means it can't be a retention crime.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Yeah. Why were they there, hmm?
Perhaps he just wants to prove he isn't as smart as he claims to be.
That they were in a box and no one knew they were there isn't a crime. For it to be a crime there has to be specific intent. Willfully and knowingly are the terms in the law.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Bullshit. Biden took them and put them there. It's the only logical explanation.
LOL. Really? Can you prove an aide didn't pack that box?
That certainly seems to be a more logical explanation. I doubt Biden packs up his own office when he moves to a new one.
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Biden told veterans that as the VP he gave his uncle a Purple Heart that his uncle earned in the battle of the bulge and that his uncle refused the medal because his fellow soldiers "died." The problem is his uncle died 9 years before Biden took office as VP and never earned a Purple Heart. So you trust the word of this chronic liar?
Biden either removed Classified Document from a SCIF or from under the nose of a National Archive person in Biden's office. Man...are you ever an idiot. No wonder why Biden can fool you. You are even more stupid than he is.