I had lunch today with Bill Barr.

Jarod said:
So are you saying that if someone put them there without Biden’s knowledge he is criminally liable? Look up Mens Rea.
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You still have the issue of how they came into his possession. He is the only memember of his household that had access to them as a Senator.
 
ExpressLane said:
Wrong. Possession of the Classified document is a crime AS LONG as you illegal possess them. (Ongoing crime) They were returned to the National Archive in 2023. Biden has till 2028 before the statute of limitation has run. He can still be prosecuted for possessing them.
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And which particular US code do you think applies?
You have to knowingly possess them for it to be a crime under most of the statutes.
If Biden took this years ago, how are you going to prove he had knowledge of possessing it? It was in a box he hasn't touched in years. You claim he has trouble remembering things so your own testimony would prove him not guilty.
 
evince said:
You claimed Reno did prosecutable crimes

WHY DIDNT YOUR HEROS CHARGE HER?
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I see you're even stupider than we imagined. I claimed she destroyed innocent lives to further her career. she wasn't charged because as a prosecutor for the state, she had absolute immunity.

why are you even here when you're this fucking dumb?
 
evince said:
You claimed Reno did prosecutable crimes
WHY DIDNT YOUR HEROS CHARGE HER?
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One she should probably have been prosecuted for is her withholding evidence and using child witnesses in several prosecutions of daycare workers and centers in Florida that were all later overturned with prejudice because the prosecution's evidence was so tainted. If not charged, she certainly should have been disbarred.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/innocence/etc/other.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/...cience-that-could-exonerate-the-innocent.html
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/frank-fuster-prison-sentence-day-care-abuse-hysteria/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

Reno was a mediocre liar... err, lawyer, and as Attorney General equally if not more so, even egregiously so, incompetent as in her previous prosecutions. Her handling of Waco and the whole get rightwing militia groups persecutions blew up in her face. Waco wasn't the first such attempt at going after such groups, but it was the most obvious and disastrous. It was and is clear that the ATF wanted the arrest of Koresh to be a massive publicity stunt as much as anything else or the MSM wouldn't have been invited along to witness and video the ATF in action.

Of course, that ended in disaster. On the other hand, the ATF could have easily pinched Koresh on one of his frequent trips into Waco away from the compound, but that wasn't what they wanted. They wanted it to be high profile and a publicity stunt.

Instead of defusing the situation, Reno let the DoJ escalate the situation into the disaster it became.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
And which particular US code do you think applies?
You have to knowingly possess them for it to be a crime under most of the statutes.
If Biden took this years ago, how are you going to prove he had knowledge of possessing it? It was in a box he hasn't touched in years. You claim he has trouble remembering things so your own testimony would prove him not guilty.
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:rofl2: Man you are a moron :rofl2:

:legion:
 
T. A. Gardner said:
One she should probably have been prosecuted for is her withholding evidence and using child witnesses in several prosecutions of daycare workers and centers in Florida that were all later overturned with prejudice because the prosecution's evidence was so tainted. If not charged, she certainly should have been disbarred.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/innocence/etc/other.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/...cience-that-could-exonerate-the-innocent.html
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/frank-fuster-prison-sentence-day-care-abuse-hysteria/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

Reno was a mediocre liar... err, lawyer, and as Attorney General equally if not more so, even egregiously so, incompetent as in her previous prosecutions. Her handling of Waco and the whole get rightwing militia groups persecutions blew up in her face. Waco wasn't the first such attempt at going after such groups, but it was the most obvious and disastrous. It was and is clear that the ATF wanted the arrest of Koresh to be a massive publicity stunt as much as anything else or the MSM wouldn't have been invited along to witness and video the ATF in action.

Of course, that ended in disaster. On the other hand, the ATF could have easily pinched Koresh on one of his frequent trips into Waco away from the compound, but that wasn't what they wanted. They wanted it to be high profile and a publicity stunt.

Instead of defusing the situation, Reno let the DoJ escalate the situation into the disaster it became.
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:clink::clink::clink::clink::clink::clink::clink::clink::clink:
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
ROFLMAO. Statute of limitations applies for when they came into his possession.
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:rofl2: No it is an ONGOING crime for him to keep them in an insecure facility. Sorry. :laugh: If someone embezzles for years the statute applies to the last date that they embezzled. The statue for Biden won't expire till 2028 which 5 years after the classified documents were returned.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
One she should probably have been prosecuted for is her withholding evidence and using child witnesses in several prosecutions of daycare workers and centers in Florida that were all later overturned with prejudice because the prosecution's evidence was so tainted. If not charged, she certainly should have been disbarred.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/innocence/etc/other.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/...cience-that-could-exonerate-the-innocent.html
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/frank-fuster-prison-sentence-day-care-abuse-hysteria/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

Reno was a mediocre liar... err, lawyer, and as Attorney General equally if not more so, even egregiously so, incompetent as in her previous prosecutions. Her handling of Waco and the whole get rightwing militia groups persecutions blew up in her face. Waco wasn't the first such attempt at going after such groups, but it was the most obvious and disastrous. It was and is clear that the ATF wanted the arrest of Koresh to be a massive publicity stunt as much as anything else or the MSM wouldn't have been invited along to witness and video the ATF in action.

Of course, that ended in disaster. On the other hand, the ATF could have easily pinched Koresh on one of his frequent trips into Waco away from the compound, but that wasn't what they wanted. They wanted it to be high profile and a publicity stunt.

Instead of defusing the situation, Reno let the DoJ escalate the situation into the disaster it became.
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It was a publicity stunt to prove the ATF's worth to Congress to increase their funding.
 
ExpressLane said:
It was a publicity stunt to prove the ATF's worth to Congress to increase their funding.
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It was, at the time, the latest in a string of raids the ATF had made on purportedly "Rightwing militia groups." There were at least two prior in Arizona, and several in the Midwest and Great Lakes region. Most of these cases fell apart over time but the ATF destroyed the lives of many people for persecuting the political goals of the administration at the time via Janet Reno.

It would be this string of raids that were highly publicized at the time that pushed Timothy McVey and James Nichols into building a truck bomb and retaliating against the federal government for what they saw as a declaration of war against the far right.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It was, at the time, the latest in a string of raids the ATF had made on purportedly "Rightwing militia groups." There were at least two prior in Arizona, and several in the Midwest and Great Lakes region. Most of these cases fell apart over time but the ATF destroyed the lives of many people for persecuting the political goals of the administration at the time via Janet Reno.

It would be this string of raids that were highly publicized at the time that pushed Timothy McVey and James Nichols into building a truck bomb and retaliating against the federal government for what they saw as a declaration of war against the far right.
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ATF is a redundent organization . It can be absorbed into other government agencies. Congress had made noise about doing that . The ATF was trying to prove its worth. As you said Koresh could have easily been arrested during a trip to town but that would have been sensational enough for the ATF.
 
ExpressLane said:
:rofl2: Man you are a moron :rofl2:

:legion:
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Yes. You are stupid because you can't even show when he took them. There is a presumption of innocence. If Biden took them years ago you have to show 3 things to meet the legal standard.
You have to show he took them.
You have to show he knew he took them and they weren't just mixed in some other papers.
You have to show he had current knowledge of possessing them and not returning them as soon as he found out he had them.

You can't provide evidence of any of those 3 things.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so the mantra is going to be that 'yes, he committed crimes, but the statute of limitations is over, so we win'??????

see, leftists will support and defend democrat criminals, if for anything it's to beat the other side.
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No. The legal standard is you can't charge a crime when the statute of limitations has expired. The standard is the same for everyone.
Demanding someone be arrested for a crime that can't be prosecuted is a fool's errand.
Are you a fool?
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
No. The legal standard is you can't charge a crime when the statute of limitations has expired. The standard is the same for everyone.
Demanding someone be arrested for a crime that can't be prosecuted is a fool's errand.
Are you a fool?
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then define 'criminal' for us. is it someone who breaks the law? or just someone who was charged with breaking the law? or someone who was convicted of breaking the law?
 
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