I predict that the S&P 500 will be well under 5,000 by September 30th

I suggest you stick with this wording.


Too little debt and you throttle the economy. Too much debt and you bleed the economy. An optimal, happy medium is juuuuust riiiiiiight.

Some debt is fine, it's true.



When you throw the word "Libertarian" around, you had better qualify it so as to distinguish between

1) foundational Libertarians who inherently distrusted government and who stood uncompromisingly for sound economics and civil liberties
2) modern neo-Libertarians who have been hijacked by the Communist Party and who have become indistinguishable from Marxist Anarchists

I align with the former. I mock the latter. You absolutely need to distinguish.


1. Heroine (with an terminal "e") is the female protagonist of a given story.
2. You probably wanted to say "Don't lecture me about addiction while enticing me with heroin."

If you want to solve America's economic problems, fill Congress with foundational Libertarians. I know you can see that point.
it seems there are only palantire bitcoin libertarians around.


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Question for the board: Is it just me or did the S&P 500 close at a new record high ... again? It seems like this has become so commonplace that no one even bothers to mention it?


S&P 500, Tuesday, 12 August, closed at a record high of 6,445.76, gaining 1.1% on the day

US tariff revenue for just July 2025: $30 billion

US wages are up 0.6% since May 1st.

US GDP for 2025 (Jan 1 through Aug 12) is $660 billion higher than US GDP for the same period in 2024 ($330 billion in each of Q1 and Q2).




Would one of JPP's leftists refresh my memory as to how Donald Trump has "fucked up" the US economy?
 
Question for the board: Is it just me or did the S&P 500 close at a new record high ... again? It seems like this has become so commonplace that no one even bothers to mention it?


S&P 500, Tuesday, 12 August, closed at a record high of 6,445.76, gaining 1.1% on the day

US tariff revenue for just July 2025: $30 billion

US wages are up 0.6% since May 1st.

US GDP for 2025 (Jan 1 through Aug 12) is $660 billion higher than US GDP for the same period in 2024 ($330 billion in each of Q1 and Q2).




Would one of JPP's leftists refresh my memory as to how Donald Trump has "fucked up" the US economy?
Trump and his billionaire friends are threatening tariffs to manipulate the markets. They make more money in a volatile market.
 
Trump and his billionaire friends are threatening tariffs to manipulate the markets. They make more money in a volatile market.
guaranteeing zero tariffs forever is also a market manipulation.

:truestory:

so in the end you are a globalist armpit after-all.

go suck a Chinese dick then, fake libertarian patriot.
 
Well, the S&P 500 is up +117.74 points (+1.88%) for the week

Opening Monday (4 August 2025): 6,271.71 USD
Closing Friday (8 August 2025): 6,389.45 USD
Closing Tuesday (12 August 2025): 6,445.76 USD
Currently (as of this post): 6,453.91 USD

It's gonna take A LOT to bring this sucker "well under 5,000" by Sept 30th...
Tariff Revenue for the Week: $6.12 Billion
I'm LOVIN' IT!!!
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Trump and his billionaire friends are threatening tariffs to manipulate the markets. They make more money in a volatile market.
Ahhhhhhh, so all of the good news is simply "a ruse" for "Trump and his rich friends" to make money via the markets? :rofl2: :rofl2: TOO FUNNY! :rofl2: :rofl2:

Maybe you'd have more money if you didn't pull it all out of the stock market back in Feb/Mar in fear of "Orange Man gonna crash the economy"...
:derp:
 
Trump and his billionaire friends are threatening tariffs
Trump, and no one else, is applying tariffs

to manipulate the markets.
to protect one particular market, i.e. the domestic one.

They make more money in a volatile market.
The amount of money brought in by tariffs is the same regardless of the price volatility of the products to which they are applied.
 
Closing Tuesday (12 August 2025): 6,445.76 USD
Currently (as of this post): 6,453.91 USD
:party:
I turned my head to look away only for a brief moment, and suddenly the S&P 500 closes out at a record high for the 3rd consecutive day. I know what you're thinking, i.e. "Ho - Hum, this is the new normal for the S&P 500". That's what I thought as well, but then I noticed that all three of the S&P 500, Nasdaq Composite, and Dow Jones Industrial Average all reached record highs today, with the S&P 500 closing at a record high.

Well, Democrats and leftists all insisted, nay demanded, red-faced no less, that we Trump supporters own it completely when it happens, and that they were completely disavowing having anything to do with what is transpiring, and that we conservatives were obviously going to try to hold Biden responsible ... so I'm owning up. I am publicly stating that I will not hold Biden responsible for any of America's economic successes as America rises to greatness. I will not point to any Democrat or leftist and say "this is because of you." Instead, I will say "this is in spite of you" and that Donald Trump gets full credit for kicking your asses at every turn, up and down the square.

Democrats and leftists, you've been owned, by Trump. You should probably start picking up your teeth from the floor from that King-Kong bitch-slap that smacked you down.

14 August 2025 Market Close:
S&P 500: 6,468.54
Nasdaq Composite: 21,710.67
Dow Jones Industrial Average: 44,911.26

Estimated US Tariff Revenue for August 1 - 14: $4.5 Billion

:party:
 
Estimated US Tariff Revenue for August 1 - 14: $4.5 Billion

:party:
The large part of your post that I removed was BRILLIANT reading, but I just wanted to question this final part of it. There's no way that there was only $4.5 Billion in tariff revenue for the first two weeks of August (especially when you noted a $6.12B tariff revenue for the prior week).

I suspect that you made a typo here and that you meant to type August 11 - 14 instead of August 1 - 14. Don't cut the USA's tariff revenue short, man! 🦅
 
maybe someone hacked your system and turned your electric butt plug up to ten.
I don't have one anymore. I used to have one of those powered renewables, but I got rid of it once I learned that solar doesn't work where the sun don't shine, and farting was insufficiently intermittant to provide reliable wind generation.
 
The large part of your post that I removed was BRILLIANT reading, but I just wanted to question this final part of it. There's no way that there was only $4.5 Billion in tariff revenue for the first two weeks of August (especially when you noted a $6.12B tariff revenue for the prior week).

I suspect that you made a typo here and that you meant to type August 11 - 14 instead of August 1 - 14. Don't cut the USA's tariff revenue short, man! 🦅
I promise, I won't ever lowball the republic for which We the People stand. My estimate was for the two weeks stated. Please remember that boatloads of products (mega-pun intended) were rushed in at the end of July that would have otherwise been 30-degrees warmer than it should have been entered within that two-week timeframe ... to beat the August 1st enactment of the new tariffs. In other words, my number was accurate, but was a deliberate effort by many, many, many importers to save beaucoup $$ by coming in under the wire and beating the new tariffs that started August 1st. The moral of the story is that, yes, we can expect future two-week periods to bring in substantially more than the $4.5 billion from that specific artificially "depressed" two-week timeframe. Ergo, We the People will be saying "$4.5 billion ain't shit! We bring in more than that on our worst two-week interval."

Think of it as establishing a minimum baseline ... and setting that baseline at $4.5 billion! ... but yes, it's accurate.
 
I don't have one anymore. I used to have one of those powered renewables, but I got rid of it once I learned that solar doesn't work where the sun don't shine, and farting was insufficiently intermittant to provide reliable wind generation.
yeah and the whales kept running into it.
 
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