ICE agents committing assaults and other crimes

[Into the Night]

This is straight up assault because the person stood there. The agent is the only one making aggressive moves before attacking.

https://bsky.app/profile/lordnad.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3m2feienifs2n

View: https://bsky.app/profile/lordnad.bsky.social/post/3m2feienifs2n

This is arrest. The guy broke the law, which is why the soldier arrested him.

 

[Into the Night]

Here is an ICE agent pointing a weapon at someone who is simply recording him.

The weapon isn't even pointed at her.

 

[Into the Night]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9AWsj4P8Eg


Here is the report by storyful news from X

https://twitter.com/x/status/1973965734540947699

View: https://x.com/bennetthaselton/status/1973965734540947699

She was breaking the law.

 

[Into the Night]

They are trying to provoke violence so they can claim the left is violent.

Inversion fallacy. You can't blame your problems on anybody else.

 

[Into the Night]

Prove that that shot was deliberate and not just due to the dispersion of the pepper ball between the smoothbore barrel of the launcher and where it landed.


What was said between her and the cops there just prior to being sprayed?


This is what might be called "Contempt of cop." The officer tells the guy to step back. He gives the officer some shit about it being a public street. How hard is it to just step back?


Needs far more context than the photo alone gives.

You have it right. The rioters were blocking the street, and they were ordered to clear the street. She failed to comply. That's breaking the law. She was only pepper sprayed. She could've been arrested as well.

 

[Into the Night]

TA...what is wrong with you?

How can you excuse the kind of shit this asshole is throwing at our nation and its citizens?

The rioters are insurrectionists, Doofan. They are blocking the road, they are fighting federal officers and trying to prevent them from performing their lawful duty.

And YOU support the rioting, the looting, the organized crime, the illegal aliens, and the insurrection. What's wrong with you?

 

[Into the Night]

Trump has these people so bamboozled, they do not know up from down...left from right.

It is a shame that this has happened in our country.

You cannot blame the rioters, looters, organized crime, illegal aliens, or insurrectionists on Trump, Doofan.

 

[Into the Night]

What right do Federal officer on the roof of a building have to order people off a sidewalk?

EVERY RIGHT.

Clearly it hit him.

Good!

I guess you are arguing it was negligence instead intentional. As to aiming for the guy on the sidewalk, that shows even more negligence on the part of the agents.

He did fire multiple shots.

They are effective at dispersing the rioters.

Except if you watch the complete video, there is no threat.

Yes there is. The video is selective. That won't work, Poorboy.

The two agents are calmly standing there. The third agent moves forward with the mace and then two other agents pull the first two agents back just before the mace is sprayed. Clearly this was not a response to a threat but planned by people not on the front line.

It is a response to a threat, Poorboy.

It isn't the responsibility of the protestor to deescalate. It is required of the officer.

IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROTESTOR TO DEESCALATE. Don't riot. Don't get in the face of federal officers trying to perform their lawful duty. Don't interfere with their lawful duty. Then you won't get pepper sprayed and arrested. It really is pretty simple, Poorboy.

it's pretty clear he is pointing it almost at the camera. Unless of course the protestor had some magic camera that was nowhere near them.

Get your eyes checked.

Now you just contradicted your own excuse for the shooting of the Priest. Is proper procedure to shoot at center mass or do you shoot down at their heads from a higher ground? Or do you just shoot at the ground around them?

Doesn't matter where with a pepper ball.

 

[Into the Night]

He's now part of a lawsuit contending that ICE is violating the 1st amendment by intentionally targeting clergy and journalists. Attacking people exercising the religious freedom seems to be something you would be against.

It's already thrown out.

Clearly no violence on the part of the protestors based on your standard from Jan 6.

Democrat rioters were violent on Jan 6th as well.

 

[Into the Night]

Trump runs his party. It is not in the hands of the people or the party politicians.

Trump is the leader of the Republican party, yes.

 

[Into the Night]

Pro Publica just did a story on US citizens detained by ICE.

Meh.

More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They’ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days.

The government does not track how often immigration agents grab citizens. So ProPublica did. Our tally — almost certainly incomplete — includes people who were held for days without a lawyer. And nearly 20 children, two of whom have cancer.

www.propublica.org

We compiled and reviewed every case we could find of agents holding citizens against their will, whether during immigration raids or protests. While the tally is almost certainly incomplete, we found more than 170 such incidents during the first nine months of President Donald Trump’s second administration.

More than that!

Among the citizens detained are nearly 20 children, including two with cancer. That includes four who were held for weeks with their undocumented mother and without access to the family’s attorney until a congresswoman intervened.

Illegal immigrants are immediately subject to deportation.

Immigration agents do have authority to detain Americans in limited circumstances. Agents can hold people whom they reasonably suspect are in the country illegally. We found more than 50 Americans who were held after agents questioned their citizenship. They were almost all Latino.


Immigration agents also can arrest citizens who allegedly interfered with or assaulted officers. We compiled cases of about 130 Americans, including a dozen elected officials, accused of assaulting or impeding officers.

That's right, Poorboy.

These cases have often wilted under scrutiny.

Nothing has changed, Poorboy.

In nearly 50 instances that we have identified so far, charges have never been filed or the cases were dismissed. Our count found a handful of citizens have pleaded guilty, mostly to misdemeanors.

50 out of the thousands arrested. Pretty good result, I think.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Pro Publica just did a story on US citizens detained by ICE.

More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They’ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days.

The government does not track how often immigration agents grab citizens. So ProPublica did. Our tally — almost certainly incomplete — includes people who were held for days without a lawyer. And nearly 20 children, two of whom have cancer.

www.propublica.org

We compiled and reviewed every case we could find of agents holding citizens against their will, whether during immigration raids or protests. While the tally is almost certainly incomplete, we found more than 170 such incidents during the first nine months of President Donald Trump’s second administration.

So?

Among the citizens detained are nearly 20 children, including two with cancer. That includes four who were held for weeks with their undocumented mother and without access to the family’s attorney until a congresswoman intervened.

Children "detained" because their mother / parents are illegally in the country, in federal custody (aka under arrest and in detention) is normal practice for law enforcement. Name another crime where the mother / parents retain custody of their children while in jail. That some congress critter intervened means nothing. The children aren't being charged with anything but have been put in protective custody because their parent(s) is a criminal under arrest for a crime.

Immigration agents do have authority to detain Americans in limited circumstances. Agents can hold people whom they reasonably suspect are in the country illegally. We found more than 50 Americans who were held after agents questioned their citizenship. They were almost all Latino.

So? Given the majority of illegals in the US are Hispanic, it would be reasonable to assume that an agent would have more suspicion regarding someone's citizenship if they were Hispanic. Further, without specific case knowledge you can't assume it was due to racial profiling either. Maybe those 50 were detained because they were with one or more persons illegally in the US. That would be sufficient to detain an American citizen who has no particular id proving that on a temporary basis until things can be figured out.

There is no blanket reason here, and Propublica gives none.

Immigration agents also can arrest citizens who allegedly interfered with or assaulted officers. We compiled cases of about 130 Americans, including a dozen elected officials, accused of assaulting or impeding officers.

All law enforcement officers can arrest citizens who interfere with or assault them. If 130 Americans, including elected officials, were arrested and accused of this, okay, so? The law enforcement officer can arrest them for that. It is up to the prosecutor and courts what comes next. Tossing the charges after the arrest doesn't mean the officer acted improperly, just that the prosecutor decided for whatever reason not to pursue the charges. That happens all the time.

These cases have often wilted under scrutiny. In nearly 50 instances that we have identified so far, charges have never been filed or the cases were dismissed. Our count found a handful of citizens have pleaded guilty, mostly to misdemeanors.

Again, so? People get arrested and later released without charges all the time for lots of stuff. Why is this any different?

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/how-long-can-you-be-held-without-charges/

 

[Diogenes]

People get arrested and later released without charges all the time for lots of stuff. Why is this any different?

TDS is the difference.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

This is the video. A correction was issued that it was not tear gas but pepper ball.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1981723395294109727

View: https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1981723395294109727


Then there is this still shot from another angle

https://twitter.com/x/status/1981942513423561214

View: https://x.com/dmp267/status/1981942513423561214/photo/1

And, it looks like the officer did exactly what he was trained to do, hit the guy in the upper chest with the pepper ball and when it broke open it sprayed him in the face. Look at were the pepper powder is thickest. That's on the guy's chest spreading up to his lower face.

 

[Diogenes]

And, it looks like the officer did exactly what he was trained to do, hit the guy in the upper chest with the pepper ball and when it broke open it sprayed him in the face. Look at were the pepper powder is thickest. That's on the guy's chest spreading up to his lower face.

PRS doesn't care about any of that, does he?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

PRS doesn't care about any of that, does he?

Nope. It doesn't fit his Trump is evil incarnate and everything Trump does is therefore evil agenda.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

So?

Children "detained" because their mother / parents are illegally in the country, in federal custody (aka under arrest and in detention) is normal practice for law enforcement. Name another crime where the mother / parents retain custody of their children while in jail. That some congress critter intervened means nothing. The children aren't being charged with anything but have been put in protective custody because their parent(s) is a criminal under arrest for a crime.

Held for weeks without access to their attorney. That is NOT something that is supposed to happen to anyone in the US.

So? Given the majority of illegals in the US are Hispanic, it would be reasonable to assume that an agent would have more suspicion regarding someone's citizenship if they were Hispanic. Further, without specific case knowledge you can't assume it was due to racial profiling either. Maybe those 50 were detained because they were with one or more persons illegally in the US. That would be sufficient to detain an American citizen who has no particular id proving that on a temporary basis until things can be figured out.

Some of them were held after they provided documents showing they were citizens. The problem with being in a cult like you are T.A. is you simply ignore reality when it doesn't fit with your biases.

There is no blanket reason here, and Propublica gives none.


All law enforcement officers can arrest citizens who interfere with or assault them. If 130 Americans, including elected officials, were arrested and accused of this, okay, so? The law enforcement officer can arrest them for that. It is up to the prosecutor and courts what comes next. Tossing the charges after the arrest doesn't mean the officer acted improperly, just that the prosecutor decided for whatever reason not to pursue the charges. That happens all the time.



Again, so? People get arrested and later released without charges all the time for lots of stuff. Why is this any different?

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/how-long-can-you-be-held-without-charges/

Once again, you simply ignore the actual facts because you are in a cult. In many cases the charges were not dropped after the arrest but were dropped after an indictment from a grand jury was obtained. The courts have started to notice this disturbing trend of indicting before examining the actual evidence. People are indicted and then when the prosecutor has to start to turn over evidence to the defense, the prosecutor suddenly discovers that the evidence disproves the charges so they are forced to drop the charges.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/how-long-can-you-be-held-without-charges/

Once again, because you are in a cult you failed to read your own link. The length of time one can be held without charges is 48-72 hours. What is weeks without access to a lawyer? Is that more or less than 72 hours? Are you so deep in your cult you don't know how many hours in a week?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

And, it looks like the officer did exactly what he was trained to do, hit the guy in the upper chest with the pepper ball and when it broke open it sprayed him in the face. Look at were the pepper powder is thickest. That's on the guy's chest spreading up to his lower face.

It seems you are admitting that they are trained to violate court orders.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Held for weeks without access to their attorney. That is NOT something that is supposed to happen to anyone in the US.

They weren't charged with a crime. They were in protective custody of the state and likely no relatives could be located to take them. They didn't need a fucking liar... err, lawyer.

Some of them were held after they provided documents showing they were citizens. The problem with being in a cult like you are T.A. is you simply ignore reality when it doesn't fit with your biases.

You psychotic... err, psychic? How do you know that? Propublica didn't give details of individual cases. Aside from that, how many people in the US walk around with a passport, birth certificate, or other document proving their citizenship on a daily basis?

Once again, you simply ignore the actual facts because you are in a cult. In many cases the charges were not dropped after the arrest but were dropped after an indictment from a grand jury was obtained. The courts have started to notice this disturbing trend of indicting before examining the actual evidence. People are indicted and then when the prosecutor has to start to turn over evidence to the defense, the prosecutor suddenly discovers that the evidence disproves the charges so they are forced to drop the charges.

Doesn't change what I stated. The cops could drop the charges. The prosecutor could drop the charges. You don't know why they were dropped and are just making SWAGPOOYA's because it fits the narrative you want it to be.