If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[gfm7175]

I know a fair amount about Mormonism, also. When @gfm7175 said that Mormons are Christian, I laughed because they most definitely are not. They will tell you they are, but when your religion claims that a male, who is a sufficiently good Mormon, can become the god of his own planet, You are relinquishing your ability to say you are a Christian religion.

I'll defer to any Mormons as to the specifics of what Mormons believe (and any nuances between specific Mormons themselves).

I'm much more familiar with the various Lutheran church denominations than I am with the Church of Latter Day Saints.

 

[gfm7175]

Right. And?

So, even though nothing changed (according to you), you changed your belief.

 

[ZenMode]

Still sticking with debating religionists...especially Christians.

Okay, I can understand that. America probably is predominantly Christian...and debating them rather than those coming from an agnostic perspective is a smart, albeit, cowardly move.

There's nothing cowardly about it. If your beliefs can't stand up to questions, that's a reflection of your beliefs, not a reflection of the person asking the questions.

Talk to me about your perspective on the REALITY of existence...and tell me if there are any gods...or if it is more likely that there are none rather than that there is at least one.

It would be an interesting conversation.

I have no idea. I don't know why the universe exists or anything exists for that matter. Given that everything around us, in space, is moving in the same direction, it seems reasonable to say some event caused that movement.

I see no reason to believe in any of the gods that man has believed in, except for the sun, moon , etc which are obviously real, even if they aren't "gods".

The idea of a conscious "creator", that occasionally dabbles in our lives is also difficult to believe.

 

[Ross Dolan]

There's nothing cowardly about it. If your beliefs can't stand up to questions, that's a reflection of your beliefs, not a reflection of the person asking the questions.

It is cowardly. You are picking on the low hanging fruit.

Come discuss your position with me. I promise...I will not resort to any gods.

I have no idea.

Yeah, neither do I. But you do make guesses...based on nothing. I'd love to discuss those. But you studiously avoid me and my perspective.

Why?

I don't know why the universe exists or anything exists for that matter. Given that everything around us, in space, is moving in the same direction, it seems reasonable to say some event caused that movement.

Okay...we can discuss that. I have no idea of what caused it...neither, I suspect, does anyone else on the planet.

So...can you contribute to that part of the discussion?

I see no reason to believe in any of the gods that man has believed in, except for the sun, moon , etc which are obviously real, even if they aren't "gods".

I see no reason either. So I don't. I also see no reason to suppose, guess (believe) that there are no gods...or that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one.

Let's discuss that last part, because it seems you do suppose, guess (believe) one of those things.

Let's just discuss it at length.

The idea of a conscious "creator", that occasionally dabbles in our lives is also difficult to believe.

Indeed...about as difficult as supposing, guessing (believing) that there are no gods...or that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one.

LET'S DISCUSS IT. WHY NOT STOP JABBING AT THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT...AND DEAL WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS A SOLID CASE?

C'mon. You will love it.

 

[ZenMode]

It is cowardly. You are picking on the low hanging fruit.

Come discuss your position with me. I promise...I will not resort to any gods.


Yeah, neither do I. But you do make guesses...based on nothing. I'd love to discuss those. But you studiously avoid me and my perspective.

Why?



Okay...we can discuss that. I have no idea of what caused it...neither, I suspect, does anyone else on the planet.

So...can you contribute to that part of the discussion?


I see no reason either. So I don't. I also see no reason to suppose, guess (believe) that there are no gods...or that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one.

Let's discuss that last part, because it seems you do suppose, guess (believe) one of those things.

Let's just discuss it at length.

Indeed...about as difficult as supposing, guessing (believing) that there are no gods...or that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one.

LET'S DISCUSS IT. WHY NOT STOP JABBING AT THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT...AND DEAL WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS A SOLID CASE?

C'mon. You will love it.

I'm skeptical of the "solid case" because, in the bigger scheme of things, anything is possible and most things are equally improbable.