If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

Cypress said:
Most people, including atheists and agnostics, will point to certain actions and outcomes as cruel and unjust, as if it were objectively true and not just a matter of opinion or cultural convention.

Pacifism isn't atheist in principle.
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Yes it is.
Cypress said:
Conscientious objectors to war and military service in this country traditionally came out of a religious belief system, specifically the Quakers, the Mennonites, the Amish, etc
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Nah. They are just cowards.
 
domer76 said:
YHWH was an ancient Canaanite storm god. He stole his dad’s wife for his own. Gradually, he morphed into the top god in the pantheon of gods. Then, as the monotheistic notion took hold, he became the Dude. Genesis has segments that reveal the polytheism of the time.

I’ve told you this before. Why do you insist on clinging to your willful ignorance? It’s easy enough to look up.
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Interesting spin!
 
Apostle_Frank said:
The Bible shows so much the hand of man. It displays a God who has every human feature imaginable ("regret", "anger", "fierce defender of one group", etc.) and it discusses wars and military attrocities as if they are pleasing to this God, or even made possible because of this God. Then it careens over to the same God who suddenly loves all the world and who even arranged to have his only begotten son brutalized and tortured to death by humans so that humans could attain God's grace.

Just at this level of abstraction it feels like a human-made enterprise. Then factor in the various technical errors and outright fabrications that litter some of the pages it's hard not to see the stains that mar the better message.

There's a lot to be said for the good in the New Testament, but it comes covered in the blood of the old and still holds onto a bit more for the sacrifice of Jesus.

Ultimately God needed not only animal sacrifice for ultimate atonement but human sacrifice.

Sadly, it kind of overshadows the GOOD stuff in the Bible.
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Man makes their gods in their own image. The culture does not matter. The deities follow the culture.
 
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