If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book

[ZenMode]

There are numerous examples of atheists converting to Christianity after philosophical reflection -- famously CS Lewis, and the former 'New Atheist' pundit Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The influential atheist intellectual Jean Paul Satre reportedly converted on his death bed.

Yes, people who aren't superstitious can become superstitious.

 

[ZenMode]

So it's a matter of faith.

There's all sorts of things happening today, ZenMode... just take a look around you.

Yes, things happen that religious people attribute to their deity, despite the fact that there's no reason to attribute them to a deity.

 

[ZenMode]

Yet, you follow this up with discussing certain occurrences (as you did before).

Correct. Most religious people don't attribute EVERY event to a deity.

What about the people who didn't believe in a deity until certain events occurred in their lives (or had a particular realization about certain events)? Aren't those people, who didn't already believe in a deity, finding reason to attribute events to a deity?

What about them?

 

[gfm7175]

Yes, things happen that religious people attribute to their deity, despite the fact that there's no reason to attribute them to a deity.

Yes, things happen that Church of No God people attribute to anything other than a deity, despite the fact that there's reason to attribute them to a deity.

 

[gfm7175]

What about them?

Seems like those people, despite a prior lack of belief, still found some reasons to attribute certain events to a deity.

 

[ZenMode]

Yes, things happen that Church of No God people attribute to anything other than a deity, despite the fact that there's reason to attribute them to a deity.

Without circular logic, what evidence is there today to support the existence of the Christian god?

 

[ZenMode]

Seems like those people, despite a prior lack of belief, still found some reasons to attribute certain events to a deity.

What was the reason that is unique to Christianity?

 

[Into the Night]

"Happens to be the same God. Did you know that?"

Nope. According to Muslims Jesus was just another prophet like Mohammed, not divine and the son of the Christian god.

Same God. The only difference is recognition of Jesus Christ.

Either way, religious people of all religions attribute worldly events to the god and they are equally confident that they are "right".

So?

 

[Into the Night]

Reasoning isn't wishing.

Just can't stop making up word definitions, can you?

You are not reasoning. You are already locked in several paradoxes, NONE of which you have resolved. You continue to make fallacy after fallacy.
Inversion fallacy. You cannot blame your word games on me or anybody else.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't need to make disappear and that which does not exist.

You cannot make evidence just disappear, Void.

 

[Into the Night]

What sets Christianity apart from all others ,is the sending of the Holy Spirit! Only Holy Spirit filled believers, seem to comprehend the Holy Spirit!

Even Shinto has 'holy spirits'. The Japanese call them Kama. Other cultures (such as the American Indian call them other names.

 

[Into the Night]

Without circular logic, what evidence is there today to support the existence of the Christian god?

RQAA
Stop asking the same question over and over and over like a moron.

 

[Into the Night]

What does that mean? Does it mean I have to ignore the blatant lack of evidence that the Christian god exists?

You cannot make the evidence just disappear, Void.

 

[Into the Night]

Right, you have to already believe to comprehend the Holy Spirit and if you comprehend the HS, you're a believer.

It's circular reasoning.

A circular argument is NOT a fallacy, Void.

Trying to prove one True or False, however, as you do, IS.

The other name of the circular argument is the Argument of Faith. ALL religions are based on faith...even yours.

 

[Into the Night]

So? Most of us do not want the Holy Spirit. We just want life and the actual world.

And how did this world come to be? How did life appear on it?

 

[Cypress]

What are you talking about?

I'm not going to waste time on a poster who denies and does not fathom that matter and energy behave in predictable ways in accordance with universal mathematical principles.

 

[Into the Night]

So, until you really, really, really believe?

What about the most believing Muslims? They have the same feeling about Muhammad that Christians have about the holy Spirit?

No, they don't. They do not consider Muhammad a god or spirit. Just a prophet.

 

[Into the Night]

^ Logically incoherent because that's not possible, given human nature.

Human nature has nothing to do with it. It's simply not possible.

Also, atheist nations have an extremely poor record of governance and civil rights.

There are no atheist nations.

There are Buddhists, Jews, and Pagan religionists on this board.

These are religions. Atheism is not a religion.

If you were made to live in a Muslim or Hindu society, or made to live in any State Atheist nation that has ever existed,

There has never been an atheist nation.

you would probably be pleading to come back to a western nation whose ethos is cultural Christianity. Even when we reject Christianity as westerners, our ethos, our perspective, our zeitgeist is bound up with the Christian legacy in ways we often don't recognize.

I see no reason to discard Christianity, no matter where I go.

People want purpose, meaning, and community, regardless if you or I agree with their religion. What do you propose to replace religion with? State atheism has failed everywhere it's been tried.

There is no such thing as 'state atheism'.

So you seem to be agreeing that even going on a crusade to eliminate Christianity will not rid the world of the perfectly natural human affinity for religious belief and practice in some form.

You are discussing this with a religious fundamentalist.

 

[Into the Night]

The claim was this:
"If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book"

Which is true when you're talking about a man-god as Christians claim exists. If the god of the Bible were real, there would be evidence to support its existence and the Bible wouldn't be necessary.

That's why I use to example of wiping all books about the Christian god off the face of the earth and wiping all memories of Christianity from peoples' minds. If that happened, Christianity would cease to exist there is no evidence for the Christian god to revive Christianity.

You can't.

 

[Into the Night]

The Universe is not random equations.