If the USA fails, will Israel too!?

Dutch Uncle said:
What are you going to do about it? Kill them first? LOL

How about everyone just quits attacking Israel? Fair enough? No one attacks them, they don't nuke anyone?
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Zionism posited a negation of Jewish life in the diaspora and, until 1948 perceived its primary goal as an ideal ingathering of exiles (kibbutz galuyot) in the ancient heartland of the Jewish people,and, through the establishment of a state, the liberation of Jews from the persecutions, humiliations, discrimination and antisemitism they had been subject to. Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism has continued primarily to advocate on behalf of Israel and to address threats to its continued existence and security.

https://www.adl.org/resources/glossary-terms/zionism
 
Why would Israel fail if the US were to stop supporting that nation? They have a working economy and trade. They can always seek new trading partners. Israel's GDP currently is about $410 billion and total US aid amounts to about $3.8 billion or a bit less than 1% of Israel's annual GDP. I think they can survive without it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Why would Israel fail if the US were to stop supporting that nation? They have a working economy and trade. They can always seek new trading partners. Israel's GDP currently is about $410 billion and total US aid amounts to about $3.8 billion or a bit less than 1% of Israel's annual GDP. I think they can survive without it.
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Not in terms of economics.
I'm talking more along the lines of warfare.

I tend to believe many MENA countries are less extremist due to USA intervention.
That if the USA collapsed due to civil war or anything.

That many MENA countries will likely flip against Israel.
 
RyszardKuklinski said:
Not in terms of economics.
I'm talking more along the lines of warfare.

I tend to believe many MENA countries are less extremist due to USA intervention.
That if the USA collapsed due to civil war or anything.

That many MENA countries will likely flip against Israel.
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The Arab nations surrounding Israel couldn't beat each other in a war. They've proven their ineptness in war fighting for decades now. They also hate each other due to rampant tribalism that still exists throughout the Arab world. Saw that myself.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The Arab nations surrounding Israel couldn't beat each other in a war. They've proven their ineptness in war fighting for decades now. They also hate each other due to rampant tribalism that still exists throughout the Arab world. Saw that myself.
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It's not just Arabs, Iran ( Persian Indo European speakers) & even maybe Turkey a Turkic speaking nation established by Asiatic raiders from Central Asia.

I tend to think Turks & Iranians are far more big & bad than Arab nations.

PS
If Iran is no threat to Israel!?

Why all the saber rattling about Iran by Zionists!?
 
RyszardKuklinski said:
Zionism may kill more than Nazism.

Your assertion not mine.
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Spaz, that's silly. Why are you lying that I'd say such a retarded thing that "Zionism may kill more than Nazism"?

Would you fight back if attacked, Spaz? If you'd fight back then why do you deny Israel that same right?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Spaz, that's silly. Why are you lying that I'd say such a retarded thing that "Zionism may kill more than Nazism"?

Would you fight back if attacked, Spaz? If you'd fight back then why do you deny Israel that same right?
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Destroying the planet by a nuclear war isn't A moral position.
Actually it's the Psychopathic position.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The Arab nations surrounding Israel couldn't beat each other in a war. They've proven their ineptness in war fighting for decades now. They also hate each other due to rampant tribalism that still exists throughout the Arab world. Saw that myself.
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It's a cultural thing. I trained Saudis to fly. Saudis and Italians were the worst students. Part of it is a technological thing, but there's a cultural philosophy too that seems to inhibit their learning to fly. There's a reason why a little country has been kicking their collective asses for over 70 years.

All the Euros were good except for Italy. Spaniards allowed me to practice my Spanish and pick up some choice phrases.
 
RyszardKuklinski said:
Destroying the planet by a nuclear war isn't A moral position.
Actually it's the Psychopathic position.
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Why are you overlooking the mass murder of an entire nation before leaping to your moral high ground about a last act of defiance?

Besides, it wouldn't be the whole planet, just the capitols of all the Arab states and the global economy.

Now consider this, Spaz; wouldn't it be wise of the Western nations to prevent hostilities in the Middle East? Wouldn't it be wise for the Arab nations to quit fucking with Israel?

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Dutch Uncle said:
Why are you overlooking the mass murder of an entire nation before leaping to your moral high ground about a last act of defiance?

Besides, it wouldn't be the whole planet, just the capitols of all the Arab states and the global economy.

Now consider this, Spaz; wouldn't it be wise of the Western nations to prevent hostilities in the Middle East? Wouldn't it be wise for the Arab nations to quit fucking with Israel?
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If Israel has already been obliterated then destroying the planet is a spiteful Psychopathy.
 
RyszardKuklinski said:
Good point, Gazans are more a victim than Israel.

Gaza looks like Warsaw after Nazis bombed it, or Grozny after Russia bombed it, or Dresden after Anglo allies bombed it.
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Wrong. Gazans are self-inflicted victims. I pose these questions to you:

If tomorrow Israel stopped all military actions against Gaza, would the Palestinians stop firing rockets and such into Israel?

If tomorrow if the Palestinians stopped all attacks on Israel, would the Israelis continue to attack targets within the Gaza strip?

The Gazans brought this shit on themselves. By the way, Egypt has their border with Gaza closed for the same reason Israel does. They don't Palestinian terrorists in Egypt any more than the Israelis want them in Israel.
 
guno said:
Zionism posited a negation of Jewish life in the diaspora and, until 1948 perceived its primary goal as an ideal ingathering of exiles (kibbutz galuyot) in the ancient heartland of the Jewish people,and, through the establishment of a state, the liberation of Jews from the persecutions, humiliations, discrimination and antisemitism they had been subject to. Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism has continued primarily to advocate on behalf of Israel and to address threats to its continued existence and security.

https://www.adl.org/resources/glossary-terms/zionism
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In the eyes of antisemitics, it doesn't matter. It's just 3000 year old excuse to hate the Jews. The haters and the accusations change but the results are the same.

'From the river to the sea' doesn't mean just the "Zionists". It means every person of Jewish blood or faith regardless of age or gender.
 
RyszardKuklinski said:
If Israel has already been obliterated then destroying the planet is a spiteful Psychopathy.
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Spaz, if you would sit and think about it really, really hard I bet you could see that particular strategy is called a "Deterrent".

When did the Arab-Israeli Wars stop and the terrorist AKA Asymmetrical Warfare begin? Overrunning Israel with a foreign army would be suicide for the attackers and their supporters. So they won't do it. They use asymmetrical warfare instead.

It's the same reason the US and the USSR or PRC didn't get into a war; Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD). So, they pushed their political/military/economic goals through proxies.

This is the #1 reason why nations like Pakistan, North Korea and Iran want nuclear bombs; not to use them but to act as a deterrent to invasion.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Spaz, if you would sit and think about it really, really hard I bet you could see that particular strategy is called a "Deterrent".

When did the Arab-Israeli Wars stop and the terrorist AKA Asymmetrical Warfare begin? Overrunning Israel with a foreign army would be suicide for the attackers and their supporters. So they won't do it. They use asymmetrical warfare instead.

It's the same reason the US and the USSR or PRC didn't get into a war; Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD). So, they pushed their political/military/economic goals through proxies.

This is the #1 reason why nations like Pakistan, North Korea and Iran want nuclear bombs; not to use them but to act as a deterrent to invasion.
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Nuclear weapons can help prevent war by intimidation true.

But, all it takes is one nut to use them to ruin the World.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Wrong. Gazans are self-inflicted victims. I pose these questions to you:

If tomorrow Israel stopped all military actions against Gaza, would the Palestinians stop firing rockets and such into Israel?

If tomorrow if the Palestinians stopped all attacks on Israel, would the Israelis continue to attack targets within the Gaza strip?

The Gazans brought this shit on themselves. By the way, Egypt has their border with Gaza closed for the same reason Israel does. They don't Palestinian terrorists in Egypt any more than the Israelis want them in Israel.
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Gaza is more fierce towards Israel than the West Bank.

Yet, Israel clearly respects might like all primitive beings.

Because Gaza isn't being colonized by Israeli settlements like the West Bank.

If Israel is swarmed they brought it onto themselves.

Because Arabs lived there for nearly 1,400 years when Israel arrived.

I really have to laugh at American Zionists think they have more rights to the USA than Palestinians did there.

The truth is most Zionist savages would never give up their homes to Indigenous people & neither should Palestine.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It's a cultural thing. I trained Saudis to fly. Saudis and Italians were the worst students. Part of it is a technological thing, but there's a cultural philosophy too that seems to inhibit their learning to fly. There's a reason why a little country has been kicking their collective asses for over 70 years.

All the Euros were good except for Italy. Spaniards allowed me to practice my Spanish and pick up some choice phrases.
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Southern Italians share more genotype & phenotype with Lebanon than with Germany.
 
RyszardKuklinski said:
Nuclear weapons can help prevent war by intimidation true.

But, all it takes is one nut to use them to ruin the World.
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Agreed. Which is why some scientists working on the Manhattan Project started having second thoughts about letting the nuclear bomb genie out of the bottle. Once it's out, it can't be put back in.
 
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