If there was no fraud what's the problem?

T. A. Gardner

T. A. Gardner

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Pennsylvania has started doing audits of their election results. One Republican state senator wants materials from three Democrat heavy counties for auditing. These counties are refusing to turn over the materials to the state legislature and this senator.

Why would they care, if there was no fraud or other irregularities in their ballot counting?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...turn-over-election-materials/?sh=1c38124519fe
https://news.yahoo.com/pennsylvania-county-refuses-access-voting-233900955.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...uipment-for-an-arizona-style-audit/ar-AALSSGA
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Pennsylvania has started doing audits of their election results. One Republican state senator wants materials from three Democrat heavy counties for auditing. These counties are refusing to turn over the materials to the state legislature and this senator.

Why would they care, if there was no fraud or other irregularities in their ballot counting?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...turn-over-election-materials/?sh=1c38124519fe
https://news.yahoo.com/pennsylvania-county-refuses-access-voting-233900955.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...uipment-for-an-arizona-style-audit/ar-AALSSGA
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My question is this, is this what we are going to do with every election going forward now? Will all losers claim they really won and demand audits for months after the election and ask why would you care if there was no fraud or irregularities?

There are liberals who claim Bush stole Ohio in 2004 and that's why he won the election. I don't recall Republicans at the time supporting audits or liberal calls to investigate. Same thing right, why would Republicans care if there was no fraud or irregularities?

Yes, we need secure elections. But this continued belief that the election was stolen from Trump and thus this almost scorched earth attempt to change that is opening a pandora's box that will have a lot of unintended negative consequences in the future, imo.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Pennsylvania has started doing audits of their election results. One Republican state senator wants materials from three Democrat heavy counties for auditing. These counties are refusing to turn over the materials to the state legislature and this senator.

Why would they care, if there was no fraud or other irregularities in their ballot counting?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...turn-over-election-materials/?sh=1c38124519fe
https://news.yahoo.com/pennsylvania-county-refuses-access-voting-233900955.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...uipment-for-an-arizona-style-audit/ar-AALSSGA
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it has been accepted, trump got his traitor ass kicked, deal with it, snowflake. if they can get a legal opinion to force them to do so, then do it.
 
cawacko said:
My question is this, is this what we are going to do with every election going forward now? Will all losers claim they really won and demand audits for months after the election and ask why would you care if there was no fraud or irregularities?

There are liberals who claim Bush stole Ohio in 2004 and that's why he won the election. I don't recall Republicans at the time supporting audits or liberal calls to investigate. Same thing right, why would Republicans care if there was no fraud or irregularities?

Yes, we need secure elections. But this continued belief that the election was stolen from Trump and thus this almost scorched earth attempt to change that is opening a pandora's box that will have a lot of unintended negative consequences in the future, imo.
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It's been the norm and accelerating since at least 2000 (Bush - Gore). If Republicans win, the Democrats are going to cry foul. If the Democrats win, the Republicans will do the same. The only way out of it is to strengthen voting laws so that there's no doubts about the outcome. The worst thing that could happen is Democrats get their way and pass shit like HR 1 the Fuck the Voters Act.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It's been the norm and accelerating since at least 2000 (Bush - Gore). If Republicans win, the Democrats are going to cry foul. If the Democrats win, the Republicans will do the same. The only way out of it is to strengthen voting laws so that there's no doubts about the outcome. The worst thing that could happen is Democrats get their way and pass shit like HR 1 the Fuck the Voters Act.
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Strengthening voting laws is still subjective to a degree. And it won't stop people from complaining. And to your point in the OP, people still won't accept election results and if someone wants to audit the sh*t out of every race why should anyone care if there was no fraud or irregularities? Is that what we want going forward? You have people that refuse to accept the results, no amount of audits or anything is going to change their mind.
 
cawacko said:
Strengthening voting laws is still subjective to a degree. And it won't stop people from complaining. And to your point in the OP, people still won't accept election results and if someone wants to audit the sh*t out of every race why should anyone care if there was no fraud or irregularities? Is that what we want going forward? You have people that refuse to accept the results, no amount of audits or anything is going to change their mind.
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We care because it perpetuates a gigantic lie that lead to an assault on the capitol. And it will lead to more attacks. That's why it's a big deal. This crap has to stop. Trump lost the election. Anyone who perpetuates the lie needs to be shouted down. Period. There are not two sides to this issue.
 
Concart said:
We care because it perpetuates a gigantic lie that lead to an assault on the capitol. And it will lead to more attacks. That's why it's a big deal. This crap has to stop. Trump lost the election. Anyone who perpetuates the lie needs to be shouted down. Period. There are not two sides to this issue.
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Not really following your response based on what I wrote. And shouting people down? That generally doesn’t do much
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Pennsylvania has started doing audits of their election results. One Republican state senator wants materials from three Democrat heavy counties for auditing. These counties are refusing to turn over the materials to the state legislature and this senator.

Why would they care, if there was no fraud or other irregularities in their ballot counting?
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The only problem is a group of Republicans unwilling to accept the results and are appealing to the Trump supporters by challenging the outcome. It is not a problem to most Americans.
 
cawacko said:
Not really following your response based on what I wrote. And shouting people down? That generally doesn’t do much
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Really? You said "if someone wants to audit the sh*t out of every race why should anyone care if there was no fraud or irregularities?" I directly answered the question.

Eventually shouting them down will work. They are lying and their lies are doing massive damage to the country. We need to put a stop to it.
 
Lionfish said:
Idiot democrats seem to be worried. Thae enough is reason to proceed.
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You mistake our frustration for worry. We are not worried in the least, as the election is over. We are frustrated with the abject stupidity of the big lie, and the people that believe it.
 
Concart said:
Really? You said "if someone wants to audit the sh*t out of every race why should anyone care if there was no fraud or irregularities?" I directly answered the question.

Eventually shouting them down will work. They are lying and their lies are doing massive damage to the country. We need to put a stop to it.
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How about read what I said within context of the conversation because you clearly aren’t understanding my position.
 
Flash said:
The only problem is a group of Republicans unwilling to accept the results and are appealing to the Trump supporters by challenging the outcome. It is not a problem to most Americans.
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So? If the election was on the up and up, there's no problem so let the Republicans chase their tail, so-to-speak.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Pennsylvania has started doing audits of their election results. One Republican state senator wants materials from three Democrat heavy counties for auditing. These counties are refusing to turn over the materials to the state legislature and this senator.

Why would they care, if there was no fraud or other irregularities in their ballot counting?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...turn-over-election-materials/?sh=1c38124519fe
https://news.yahoo.com/pennsylvania-county-refuses-access-voting-233900955.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...uipment-for-an-arizona-style-audit/ar-AALSSGA
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Election is over. You are trying to justify fascism.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
So? If the election was on the up and up, there's no problem so let the Republicans chase their tail, so-to-speak.
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They are. No problem although I don't think just anybody has access to the ballots, voting machines, etc. just because they want access.
 
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