‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth?’

It seems this thread is attacking people for exercising their constitutional right against self-incrimination.

The 5th Amendment can be used in civil cases (including divorce).

According to Trump's former attorney, Michael Cohen, when they were investigating the family for business dealings Trump told him to make sure if they had to prison make it Donald Jr. rather than Ivanka.

It can be used in divorce IF what you are asked to testify about would incriminate you in a crime.
 
Lets start with the trump foundation, where is it today

Don't forget this one:

Judge fines Trump $2 million for misusing charity foundation
By MICHAEL R. SISAK November 8, 2019
A New York judge on Thursday, Nov. 7 ordered Trump to pay about $2 million to an array of charities to resolve a lawsuit alleging he misused his own charitable foundation to further his political and business interests.A New York judge on Thursday, Nov. 7 ordered Trump to pay about $2 million to an array of charities to resolve a lawsuit alleging he misused his own charitable foundation to further his political and business interests.
NEW YORK (AP) — A judge Thursday ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million to an array of charities as a fine for misusing his own charitable foundation to further his political and business interests.

New York state Judge Saliann Scarpulla imposed the penalty after the president admitted to a series of abuses outlined in a lawsuit brought against him last year by the New York attorney general’s office.

Among other things, Trump acknowledged in a legal filing that he allowed his presidential campaign staff to coordinate with the Trump Foundation in holding a fundraiser for veterans during the run-up to the 2016 Iowa caucuses. The event was designed “to further Mr. Trump’s political campaign,” Scarpulla said.
 
What does Hillary have to do with it? It is a constitutional right we should all support (whether Hillary or anybody else).

I support it. But it is what it is, a right to not incriminate oneself in a crime.
 
It can be used in divorce IF what you are asked to testify about would incriminate you in a crime.

Yes, and for crimes for which you can be prosecuted. If you were already prosecuted for that crime and found not guilty or convicted you cannot plead the fifth because you cannot be tried for that crime again. O. J. could not use the 5th in the civil case against him.
 
Yes, and for crimes for which you can be prosecuted. If you were already prosecuted for that crime and found not guilty or convicted you cannot plead the fifth because you cannot be tried for that crime again. O. J. could not use the 5th in the civil case against him.

Yup, or if you’ve been granted immunity or the statute of limitations is passed. Damocles did not understand this, he thought you have an absolute right to remain silent.
 
I support it. But it is what it is, a right to not incriminate oneself in a crime.

Agreed, and sometimes because a person may have good reason because he was not involved in the crime.

I knew a guy who went riding around in a convertible that his friends stole. He asked them where they got the car and they said they "borrowed it." His lawyer told him if he knew that comment meant they stole it he would be charged. So, he just remained silent during police questioning and was not charged.
 
Yup, or if you’ve been granted immunity or the statute of limitations is passed. Damocles did not understand this, he thought you have an absolute right to remain silent.

I saw one of those reality cop shows and they pulled over a male driver and his girlfriend passenger. The driver would not respond to their questions so they questioned the passenger. They simply asked her for identification and she informed them she just took a criminal justice class and learned she has a right to remain silent. They informed her she is required to present ID.
 
Agreed, and sometimes because a person may have good reason because he was not involved in the crime.

I knew a guy who went riding around in a convertible that his friends stole. He asked them where they got the car and they said they "borrowed it." His lawyer told him if he knew that comment meant they stole it he would be charged. So, he just remained silent during police questioning and was not charged.

That was smart. Did the guy know it was stolen or not?
 
I saw one of those reality cop shows and they pulled over a male driver and his girlfriend passenger. The driver would not respond to their questions so they questioned the passenger. They simply asked her for identification and she informed them she just took a criminal justice class and learned she has a right to remain silent. They informed her she is required to present ID.

She was legally required to present id as that does not implicate her in a crime, but once pulled over you are in custody.
 
I didn’t say it… And I’m not in charge of The justice department, and you fundamentally misunderstand the fifth amendment.

Trying to wiggle out of the point of your thread seems more orange than before. I never realized you and Trump had so much in common!
 
Trying to wiggle out of the point of your thread seems more orange than before. I never realized you and Trump had so much in common!

The point of my thread was to show what a hypocrite Trump is.

I think you missed the quotation marks in my op.
 
The point of my thread was to show what a hypocrite Trump is.

I think you missed the quotation marks in my op.

No the point was you were trying to conflate silence with guilt and you did it by acting like Trump. The person I am most disappointed in today isn't Trump, I don't expect much from him.
 
No the point was you were trying to conflate silence with guilt and you did it by acting like Trump. The person I am most disappointed in today isn't Trump, I don't expect much from him.

You are incorrect. I was quoting Trump in the expectation that he is about to take the fifth. But hey, you are all knowing and never wrong… so…
 
No the point was you were trying to conflate silence with guilt and you did it by acting like Trump. The person I am most disappointed in today isn't Trump, I don't expect much from him.

Pleading the 5th is not silence.
 
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