Ignorance and the Bible

[gmark77]

His fucking kids were murdered. How can you say he was better off?

Oh it gets so much worse. One defense of the slaughter of the Amalekite infants that I heard from a believer was that God took them up into heaven and everything was better for them.

You cannot make this stuff up.

 

[Margot]

His fucking kids were murdered. How can you say he was better off?

YHWH, your second tier storm god, made wagers on righteous people’s lives with the devil. And you worship such as god. Pathetic.

Sounds like you have an issue with YHWH,take it up with him!

 

[Margot]

So then it's OK if God wished to "play a game" with Job's life? So long as he got something better?

How does that not reflect poorly on God?



But per Job he DOES operate in a way we intensely wish he COULDN'T.

I'm not YHWH's press secretary

 

[Cypress]

You act as if there hasn't been significant amount of court battles in the USA that had to forestall this very thing from being forced into science classes.

That's what the courts are for, and creation science was defeated easily and repeatedly in the judicial system.

Look chap, we are now on the threshold of actual fascism. I am not going to make Hobby Lobby, transgender's right to swim for NCAA women's teams, or a court case on intelligent design the hills I am going to die on for the republic.

I've got bigger fish to fry.

 

[gmark77]

I'm not YHWH's press secretary

Well, you kinda are. You are a believer which means you must surely have reason to believe and it makes some of us wonder how you can dismiss all the unpleasantness.

 

[gmark77]

That's what the courts are for, and creation science was defeated easily and repeatedly in the judicial system.

But that's the reason why people like me point up the problems in Genesis. NOT to laugh at them but rather to note that they are NOT science.

I've got bigger fish to fry.

You have bigger fish to fry when you don't want to address the point you raised. You laugh and mock anyone who discusses Genesis and critiques the literal reading of it. But then when it is pointed out to you that this has real world implications you suddenly have "bigger fish to fry".

Way to run away from your own point.

 

[gmark77]

Sounds like you have an issue with YHWH,take it up with him!

So you didn't read the end of Job? Might wanna do that. It relates to your post.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

5 Battles in the War Between Creationism and Evolution

Major milestones in the more than 100-year-long debate between evolution and creationism

www.livescience.com

Sorry, son, but I don't have discussions with minors. Good luck with your endeavors, kid.

Ask some of our MAGAt Pedo President supporters. Maybe they'd be interested?

 

[Into the Night]

No one reads the Old Testament more strictly and more literally than militant atheists

There is no such thing as a 'militant atheist', Sybil. The Church of No God is a religion.
Why would the Church of No God care about the Old Testament (or the New Testament for that matter)?

and conservative evangelical Bible thumpers. Everyone else carefully considers literary style and context.

There's no archeological evidence of mass destruction of towns and cities in the Biblical lands of the Levant for the time period described.

The tribes who supposedly were wiped out in the OT show up again later chronologically in the Bible, demonstrating they were not all killed and wiped out.

The authors of the Bible obviously used hyperbole, literary licence, exaggeration when describing certain historical events. Those are not unusual literary styles.

Obviously, you have never read the Bible.

 

[Into the Night]

Why is it so hard for you to admit that you studiously avoid confronting Jewish people to complain about how genocidal and wicked their Hebrew God is?

 

[Into the Night]

I assume you're talking about the physical universe.

No. There is only one Universe, by definition.

 

[Into the Night]

That's what the courts are for, and creation science was defeated easily and repeatedly in the judicial system.

The Theory of Creation is not science. The theory was never destroyed.

Look chap, we are now on the threshold of actual fascism.

Fascism has been around for millennia. It exists in every nation today.

 

[gmark77]

Sorry, son, but I don't have discussions with minors. Good luck with your endeavors, kid.

Awww, so you don't wanna talk to me anymore? That makes me feel bad. I might cry.

 

[Cypress]

But that's the reason why people like me point up the problems in Genesis. NOT to laugh at them but rather to note that they are NOT science.


You have bigger fish to fry when you don't want to address the point you raised. You laugh and mock anyone who discusses Genesis and critiques the literal reading of it. But then when it is pointed out to you that this has real world implications you suddenly have "bigger fish to fry".

Way to run away from your own point.

Intelligent design and Creationism were throughly defeated in the courts. Decades ago. You're like Don Quixote shadowing boxing windmills.

AFAIK, ID was never about teaching the Genesis narrative in schools. It was about teaching that accepted biological evolutionary principles were best explained by an intelligent cause, not by random chance.

You're free to wring your hands and fret about Genesis 1. But that is not going to win the Democratic Party one congressional district or a single Midwestern state.

Given we are on the threshold of fascism, I'll leave it to you to wig out about Genesis. I'm focusing on topics that win elections

 

[domer76]

Sounds like you have an issue with YHWH,take it up with him!

He doesn’t exist, so I’m taking it up with one of his misguided defenders.

Tell us how murdering one’s children makes one better off? You think that replacing them with new ones makes everything OK?

Perhaps you want YHWH to do the same for you.

 

[gmark77]

Intelligent design and Creationism were throughly defeated in the courts. Decades ago. You're like Don Quixote shadowing boxing windmills.

2012: Tennessee passed SB893 which was lauded by intelligent design proponents because it opens the doors to let creationism and ID back into the class room.

That's not "decades ago" and if you think the Religious Right aren't going to keep at it then you are naive in the extreme.

AFAIK, ID was never about teaching the Genesis narrative in schools.

Intelligent Design is a cover for Creationism.

It was about teaching that accepted biological evolutionary principles were best explained by an intelligent cause, not by random chance.

You are gullible if you think the same folks responsible for the "cdesign propentiststs" (https://ncse.ngo/cdesign-proponentsists) folks were simply questioning the "random chance" aspect of evolution. LOL. It was and remains a cover for Creationism.

You're free to wring your hands and fret about Genesis 1. But that is not going to win the Democratic Party one congressional district or a single Midwestern state.

Jesus dude, this is a discussion on a religion forum. What does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

 

[Into the Night]

Intelligent design and Creationism were throughly defeated in the courts.

Never was, Sybil. The Theory of Creation still exists today. It is a religion.

AFAIK, ID was never about teaching the Genesis narrative in schools. It was about teaching that accepted biological evolutionary principles were best explained by an intelligent cause, not by random chance.

The Theory of Evolution is yet another religion. It is taught in schools. The Theory of Abiogenesis is yet another religion. It is taught in schools, despite the paradoxes it has within it.

You're free to wring your hands and fret about Genesis 1.

Makes no difference.

But that is not going to win the Democratic Party one congressional district or a single Midwestern state.

True.

 

[Into the Night]

2012: Tennessee passed SB893 which was lauded by intelligent design proponents because it opens the doors to let creationism and ID back into the class room.

So? It's no different than teaching any of the other religions the Democrats actually support.

That's not "decades ago" and if you think the Religious Right aren't going to keep at it then you are naive in the extreme.

Intelligent Design is a cover for Creationism.

What is the 'cover'??? The Theory of Creation states that life arrived on Earth through the action of some kind of intelligence.

You are gullible if you think the same folks responsible for the "cdesign propentiststs" (https://ncse.ngo/cdesign-proponentsists) folks were simply questioning the "random chance" aspect of evolution. LOL. It was and remains a cover for Creationism.

The Theory of Evolution states that present life evolved from more 'primitive' forms. It is a religion.
The Theory of Abiogenesis states that life arrived on Earth through a series of random unspecified events. It is a religion. It also contains a paradox.

Jesus dude, this is a discussion on a religion forum.

So? ALL of these theories I just mentioned are religions.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

Cliche fallacy.

Illiteracy: Proper nouns are always capitalized.

 

[Cypress]

2012: Tennessee passed SB893!

'While not explicitly mentioning "intelligent design," this law protects teachers who explore the "scientific strengths and scientific weaknesses" of theories like evolution and climate change,'

Google AI​

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^^ That has nothing to do with teaching the Genesis narrative, which is what you originally were fretting about.

Again, you aren't going to win one congressional district with this.

It doesn't say teachers are allowed to say the theories are wrong. Real scientists are always trying to understand and probe weaknesses in our existing current theories. Scientific theories aren't dogma, there's always room for improvement and revision .

 

[Into the Night]

'While not explicitly mentioning "intelligent design," this law protects teachers who explore the "scientific strengths and scientific weaknesses" of theories like evolution and climate change,'

Google AI​

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^^ That has nothing to do with teaching the Genesis narrative, which is what you originally were fretting about.

Again, you aren't going to win one congressional district with this.

Real scientists are always trying to understand and probe weaknesses in our existing current theories. Scientific theories aren't dogma, there's always room for improvement and revision .

True Scotsman fallacy.

Science isn't religion, Sybil.