Ignorance and the Bible

gmark77 said:
For me my transition to atheism came after years of self-reflection but definitely when I set out to read the Bible from cover to cover I came to realize that the primary source document had some theological "issues" (not even to mention the historical hit-or-miss aspect or the scientifically bankrupt aspect, but those were easy enough to dismiss as "allegorical" or "metaphorical")

The difference between approaching the Bible as just another bunch of old scrolls cobbled together and approaching it as the key document of all humanity is down to whether someone told you it was the critical document of all humanity. There is nothing within it that indicates deeper insight that couldn't be garnered through non-supernatural means. There's every aspect of human-fingerprints all over it. A vituperative god who acts like a human in one part of the document and then is all-loving and beyond understanding in another, flawed history, made-up just-so stories to explain otherwise normal things, fantasy stories and some good advice mixed in with bad advice.
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but what about reciprocity and empathy as a moral code, as taught in the golden rule?

isnt that just a good rule to live by or no?

or is it just inconvenient when you love war and hate empathy and reciprocity?
 
Cypress said:
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Only atheists and Pentecostals read the Bible literally word for word. It's really just a collection of parables, stories, allegories, poems, and sprinkled with a little historical narrative. I mean, history knows the Jewish people as prolific story tellers. Only Atheists and conservative Southern Baptists are reading Job as 'history '.


They can push all they want. They've been defeated every step of the way into trying to introduce creation science into the classroom. The very worst you can say about the law he cites is that it might possibly be a very watered down and very diluted attempt to by theists to get a pinky toe into the schools.

He is fighting the wrong battles at this point.
There is a vocal fringe minority on the left that had caused Democrats to only be competitive in about 12 states because the party is seen as caring more about atheists, undocumented workers, and transgender athletes than about Midwestern and Appalachian blue collar workers.

I want to win elections. Complaining about Hobby Lobby, the narrative in Genesis 1, or Tennessee SB893 isn't going to win Democrats a single congressional district.
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Your blanket statement about atheists and Pentecostals is simply untrue. There are millions who believe the Bible is either the inerrant word of God or inspired by God and they are neither. They believe Revelation is prophecy. They believe we are in end times. They believe in virgin birth and the Ark and Exodus and resurrection. They ain’t Pentecostals either.
 
Cypress said:
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Only atheists and Pentecostals read the Bible literally word for word. It's really just a collection of parables, stories, allegories, poems, and sprinkled with a little historical narrative. I mean, history knows the Jewish people as prolific story tellers. Only Atheists and conservative Southern Baptists are reading Job as 'history '.


They can push all they want. They've been defeated every step of the way into trying to introduce creation science into the classroom. The very worst you can say about the law he cites is that it might possibly be a very watered down and very diluted attempt to by theists to get a pinky toe into the schools.

He is fighting the wrong battles at this point.
There is a vocal fringe minority on the left that had caused Democrats to only be competitive in about 12 states because the party is seen as caring more about atheists, undocumented workers, and transgender athletes than about Midwestern and Appalachian blue collar workers.

I want to win elections. Complaining about Hobby Lobby, the narrative in Genesis 1, or Tennessee SB893 isn't going to win Democrats a single congressional district.
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Jewish history is in there too!
The Bible is the ultimate Catch 22 ,to understand the Bible truly,you'll need the Holy Spirit! If you have the Holy Spirit, you don't really need the Bible except as a secondary source!
"There's only one Catch"!
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Into the Night said:
Why would an atheist bother reading the Bible?

The Theory of Creation is not science. It's a religion.
The Theory of Evolution is not science. It's a religion.
The Theory of the Big Bang is not science. It's a religion. It also contains a paradox.
The Theory of Abiogenesis is not science. It's a religion. It also contains a paradox.


Theism is all over in the schools. Has been since there have been schools.

The Democrats do not care about atheists. Indeed you are trying to ban one of them.
The Democrats do not care about competitiveness. They are socialists and cheaters.
The Democrats do not care about States. They despise the Constitution of the United States and the constitutions of the various States.
The Democrats do not care about illegal aliens, other than as slaves.
The Democrats do not care about the pain and misery they cause by 'gender choice' BS.
The Democrats do not care about women. They abuse them via 'gender choice' and other means.
The Democrats do not care about workers, They are socialists and cheaters.


So?

Who said it was?
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Nobody is more Bible centric than Atheists, who are obsessed with Jesus that they don't believe in! But they always, always, always hedge their bet!
 
Ross Dolan said:
Domer76 and gmark77 are two of the most inept "atheists" I've ever encountered on the Internet. Not sure if they are actually two different people, but if one (or both) is actually 12 years old, that one should start acting his/her age. It would be an improvement over the way he/she acts now.
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While I don't know if @gmark77 is chronologically 12, he is most certainly mentally 12. IDK about @domer76 .

Over all, most militant, Christian-hating, cherry-picking American atheists are younger, white males as the previous links pointed out.
 
domer76 said:
Your blanket statement about atheists and Pentecostals is simply untrue. There are millions who believe the Bible is either the inerrant word of God or inspired by God and they are neither. They believe Revelation is prophecy. They believe we are in end times. They believe in virgin birth and the Ark and Exodus and resurrection. They ain’t Pentecostals either.
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Millions, maybe. Only about 20%? According to the previously posted link, yes. What is your solution? Ban religion? Shoot the dumbfucks in the head? Send anyone who believes the Bible is the inerrant word of God to a "reeducation camp" like Stalin and Mao often did?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
While I don't know if @gmark77 is chronologically 12, he is most certainly mentally 12. IDK about @domer76 .

Over all, most militant, Christian-hating, cherry-picking American atheists are younger, white males as the previous links pointed out.
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Poor Frank. Mental decline has him stuck in his “blind guess” bullshit.

I’m am not militant, nor Christian-hating, nor cherry picking. I merely wish people would not check their brains at the door when they examine the dogma of their religions, especially the Christian religion we are most familiar with. They all have their problems, but Christians simply have a bigger footprint in this country.

I don’t know, nor do I care whether the stated demographic is correct or not. As for the young having strong beliefs or opinions that often take decades, or even a lifetime to sort out, I really don’t pay them much heed. I’ve changed my stance on any number of issues since I was young and thought I had all the answers. Most of them don’t even know the fucking questions!
 
domer76 said:
Your blanket statement about atheists and Pentecostals is simply untrue. There are millions who believe the Bible is either the inerrant word of God or inspired by God and they are neither.
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On this message board, I've never met anyone who reads the Bible as strictly and as literally as atheists and nutjob right-wing evangelicals.

Inerrant word of God does not mean the Bible is a literal account of history and science. One can believe the scriptures are inerrant and inspired, and still have the intelligence to recognise literary style and context; to recognize poetry, parable, hyperbole and metaphor from historical narrative and legal prohibition.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Millions, maybe. Only about 20%? According to the previously posted link, yes. What is your solution? Ban religion? Shoot the dumbfucks in the head? Send anyone who believes the Bible is the inerrant word of God to a "reeducation camp" like Stalin and Mao often did?
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There is no solution when generation after ignorant generation peddles the same myths as fact. As time passes, science will prevail and the God of the Gaps will slowly fade into insignificance.

Education, with an emphasis on critical thinking, is a start. Alas, too much of the population remains uneducated and possess no critical thinking skills. Many, willfully so.
 
Cypress said:
On this message board, I've never met anyone who reads the Bible as strictly and as literally as atheists and nutjob right-wing evangelicals.

Inerrant word of God does not mean the Bible is a literal account of history and science. One can believe the scriptures are inerrant and inspired, and still have the intelligence to recognise literary style and context; to recognize poetry, parable, hyperbole and metaphor from historical narrative and legal prohibition.
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I have some news. This message board is hardly a significant representation of anything.

After a career of working with and among scientists, my little retirement job in retail has me exposed to an entirely different mentality. I can assure you, a great many are unable to differentiate between allegory, myth, hyperbole, metaphor or the truth.
 
Cypress said:
On this message board, I've never met anyone who reads the Bible as strictly and as literally as atheists and nutjob right-wing evangelicals.

Inerrant word of God does not mean the Bible is a literal account of history and science. One can believe the scriptures are inerrant and inspired, and still have the intelligence to recognise literary style and context; to recognize poetry, parable, hyperbole and metaphor from historical narrative and legal prohibition.
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There is some literal history, but it's specifically written to need a translator! In the end the Bible isn't much help if you don't have a personal relationship with YHWH through the Holy Spirit!
I read through the Bible once. 99.9% of the time ,I was trained by the Holy Spirit.
 
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