Ignorance and the Bible

Cypress said:
The actions of Schindler and Perlasca had nothing to do with their self-preservation. They would have been arrested, tortured, and executed if the Nazis caught the slightest wind of what they were doing. These Jews were strangers to them.

We learned in freshman biology that evolutionary biology has nothing to do with an individual saving his entire species. There is no evolutionary benefit to saving people outside your family or immediate community. The whole goal of evolution is to ensure your own individual genetic information is protected and propagated, even at the expense of strangers, rivals, weak and inferior people, and other members of the species.

That why evolution got dubbed 'survival of the fittest' in the popular lexicon.
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Coincidence that of all people, Jews (Biblical God's Chosen people)
were Public Enemy number one?
 
domer76 said:
There’s nothing about nature that indicates a personal deity. Nothing.
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Prior to relatively recent times...there was nothing about nature to indicate that galaxies existed...other than the group of stars we are able to see. (Which are a relatively few of the many stars in our galaxy in the Orion arm.

So???
domer76 said:
I never said anyone “has to” believe in the virgin birth. Nobody “has to” anything on any religion. It’s a choice, not a requirement. As I said, you can talk to any of the millions of Catholics worldwide about their Virgin Mother.

The birth story was just another concoction to fulfill prophecy. Just as the deification of Jesus was a concoction to fix the problem of their messiah getting killed. That wasn’t supposed to happen to a messiah, so now what the fuck to do? Oh, let’s make him a god.

Then, it took another couple of centuries for them to concoct another fix regarding the god thing. He can’t be a subordinate god to the Big Guy, so let’s invent the Trinity to fix that problem.

There always needs to be a fix, doesn’t there?
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Eh...theists blindly guess there is a god and then blindly guess about the nature of that god...about what pleases and offends the god...and the consequences of a human doing either.

Atheists blindly guess there are no gods...and then lie about the fact that they do.

Six of one...
 
Ross Dolan said:
Prior to relatively recent times...there was nothing about nature to indicate that galaxies existed...other than the group of stars we are able to see. (Which are a relatively few of the many stars in our galaxy in the Orion arm.

So???

Eh...theists blindly guess there is a god and then blindly guess about the nature of that god...about what pleases and offends the god...and the consequences of a human doing either.

Atheists blindly guess there are no gods...and then lie about the fact that they do.

Six of one...
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blind guess blind guess
 
Ross Dolan said:
Prior to relatively recent times...there was nothing about nature to indicate that galaxies existed...other than the group of stars we are able to see. (Which are a relatively few of the many stars in our galaxy in the Orion arm.

So???

Eh...theists blindly guess there is a god and then blindly guess about the nature of that god...about what pleases and offends the god...and the consequences of a human doing either.

Atheists blindly guess there are no gods...and then lie about the fact that they do.

Six of one...
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except atheists usually want to kill everyone.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Which confirms my previous posts; atheists believe morality is relative. They should have no problem with what is happening in Gaza. Survival of the fittest. It's natural law. :thup:
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Wrong. Your “should have” fails. Morality IS relative. The Zionists prove it where they have no problem with the genocide they are perpetuating on the Gazans. Notice the Zionists are one of the Abrahamic religions.

The rest of us, atheists included, recognize the disgusting travesty that’s occurring. Fundamentalist Christians are also all for it. They need an Israel to survive to fulfill their Biblical prophecies.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I guess I missed that story. Agreed on doubting it's veracity. There's no such thing as magic.
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There certainly is. It's a common stage act and there are some pretty good street performers that are magicians.

Dutch Uncle said:
Good point about wandering ascetics. The same goes for rabbis and religious leaders wandering around Judea. How many were executed? John the Baptist was beheaded for his beliefs. What makes Jesus so memorable? "Rising from the Dead". As you and I have discussed it's humanly possible to have survived such a short crucifixion even if dying of sepsis or gangrene later. That would, indeed, make a helluva memorable story. He had a good message too.

FWIW, fear of being buried alive is called Taphophobia and wasn't uncommon in era's before modern medicine or embalming...which is a way to make sure they are dead. LOL

Laying someone in a tomb only to see them rise three days later from their coma is entirely plausible. Live burials were a legitimate fear by people since they'd trapped only to die of suffocation or dehydration.

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In 1905, the English reformer William Tebb collected accounts of premature burial. He found 219 cases of near live burial, 149 actual live burials, 10 cases of live dissection and 2 cases of awakening while being embalmed.
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It's amazing how the far Church of No God reaches. Do you have ANY idea what crucifixion entails??
 
Cypress said:
Revelation in nature points can reasonably be interpreted as evidence of a rational mind, or a purposeful organizing entity given the lawful, mathematically rational, organized, and finely tuned nature of the cosmos.
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What is organized about the cosmos?
Cypress said:
If one accepts the evidence and testimony of God entering human history as the human being Jesus of Nazareth, then there is a personal God.
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Circular argument, but not a fallacy (yet).
Cypress said:
You don't have to agree with it

I just don't think it's irrational and idiotic to hold a basic Christian belief based on the evidence and weight of the testimony.
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This part is correct.
Cypress said:
That's what I used to think.

The fact is there was a fully reported resurrection story from the earliest days of the Church in Jerusalem found in 1 Corinthians. And Phillipians (dated 50 AD) cites an early Christian creed that refers to Jesus as God in nature.

Those creeds are from very early days, probably from the 30s AD. Which means the resurrection account and the belief in Jesus as lord in nature goes back to the earliest days of the Church in Jerusalem, and were not later legendary accounts fabricated out of whole cloth.
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Goes back long before then.
 
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