I'll Not Yield

Superfreak said:
The vast majority are done because of the inconvenience of having to care for the child.
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It goes beyond that, it is life changing, more than an inconvenience, it can also be life threatening. Calling it an inconvenience trivializes the situation. I know of more woman than people realize whose pregnancies nearly killed them.

I don't expect you to understand, ever, unless, you marry and your wife faces such inconveniences, like the placenta separating from the uteran wall, or gestational diabetes or dehydration from vomiting to the point of hospitalization. My girlfriend's first baby nearly killed her, they decided to have no more but her husband refused to have a vasectomy, she practiced birth control, but tragically became pregnant,again, using contraceptives, she aborted, and the decision was devastating, but necessary with a young child to think about and her health, was this an inconvenience, hell no, it was her life.

You don't know the personal stories, you just think you do.
 
Rana said:
It goes beyond that, it is life changing, more than an inconvenience, it can also be life threatening. Calling it an inconvenience trivializes the situation. I know of more woman than people realize whose pregnancies nearly killed them.
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Again, if it is life threatening, then it is a life vs. a life. Those are not even close to the majority of abortions. Pretending those are the ones I am referring to is completely dishonest on your part as I have been clear on my position when the life of the mother is in jeopardy and in no way have I lumped those women in with the ones that do it for convenience.

You are correct though... it is indeed life changing... which is why men and women should choose carefully whether or not to use protection. It is also life changing for the unborn child when you callously toss its right to life away.

I don't expect you to understand, ever, unless, you marry and your wife faces such inconveniences, like the placenta separating from the uteran wall, or gestational diabetes or dehydration from vomiting to the point of hospitalization. My girlfriend's first baby nearly killed her, they decided to have no more but her husband refused to have a vasectomy, she practiced birth control, but tragically became pregnant,again, using contraceptives, she aborted, and the decision was devastating, but necessary with a young child to think about and her health, was this an inconvenience, hell no, it was her life.
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and again, all of the above is NOT what I am referring to and you know that. Which is why you try the emotional lines above. Because you know I am right with regards to the vast majority of abortions being for convenience, not because of life threatening situations to the mother.

You don't know the personal stories, you just think you do.
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that is where you are wrong. You just want to pretend that I am talking about the life threatening situations in the same manner as the abortions for convenience. I am not. I have been quite clear on that. But you want to pretend otherwise because it fits your narrative better and allows you to avoid addressing the majority of abortions that are done for convenience sake.
 
Superfreak said:
The vast majority are done because of the inconvenience of having to care for the child.
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Here's a little stat to put a crimp in your vast majority statement; About 61% of abortions are obtained by women who have one or more children.

Jones RK, Finer LB and Singh S, Characteristics of U.S. Abortion Patients, 2008, New York: Guttmacher Institute, 2010.
 
So if over half of all abortions are sought by women who ALREADY have children, I guess that unwillingness to care for a child is not the main reason. Perhaps it is because one more child in that household will take the household from barely making it to dying a slow death.
 
Socrtease said:
Here's a little stat to put a crimp in your vast majority statement; About 61% of abortions are obtained by women who have one or more children.

Jones RK, Finer LB and Singh S, Characteristics of U.S. Abortion Patients, 2008, New York: Guttmacher Institute, 2010.
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Yeah, that doesn't put a crimp in anything. The same reason can apply. They do not want to care for a child. Whether it be their first, fourth or tenth... the vast majority are done for convenience sake.
 
Socrtease said:
So if over half of all abortions are sought by women who ALREADY have children, I guess that unwillingness to care for a child is not the main reason. Perhaps it is because one more child in that household will take the household from barely making it to dying a slow death.
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Wrong. Caring for the unborn child still stands. They don't want to do it. Just because they already have a kid, doesn't mean they don't want to care for the unborn one.

Nice dramatization though. Unfortunately for you, it is the abortion that guarantees a death...
 
Threedee said:
The Sins of the Parent

Since the parents are evil, it stands to reason that the child deserves the abortion. Agreed?

:cof1:
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I think any couple that wants an abortion when the mothers life is not in danger and she was not raped should get a double tap to the back of the head.
 
Superfreak said:
Wrong. Caring for the unborn child still stands. They don't want to do it. Just because they already have a kid, doesn't mean they don't want to care for the unborn one.

Nice dramatization though. Unfortunately for you, it is the abortion that guarantees a death...
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You live in a fucking fantasy world. So a woman with 4 children barely getting by should have that fifth so that the 4 already in existence suffer more? She should take food from the mouths of her existing children? You act like women do this with not a care in the world. And you don't want government to do shit to help her once she has the child.
 
Superfreak said:
I think any couple that wants an abortion when the mothers life is not in danger and she was not raped should get a double tap to the back of the head.
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So you are ok killing people post-birth. You just want to cuddle with every fetus.

Jerk. Oh, dear, I just descended to your level. Terribly sorry.
 
blackascoal said:
Doesn't mean shit.

Do you see 18 million homes waiting for unwanted children?
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Me?.....no....it was the National Survey of Family Growth that Howie linked to.....they were the ones seeing it....as to "9 years later" the number of abortions is actually decreasing slightly each year.....and as for a million adoptions, there currently aren't a million kids available for adoption, so obviously you aren't seeing that many adoptions....stop killing the children and lets see what happens.....

you don't like cuddlers?.....I switched to that from killers since you didn't like killers.....how about saviors?.....we could call you baby saviors.....would that make you happy?....
 
Superfreak said:
I think any couple that wants an abortion when the mothers life is not in danger and she was not raped should get a double tap to the back of the head.
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You are every bit the totalitarian that the Chinese are in forcing women to have abortions to keep with the one child policy. You have this romanticized almost juvenile worship of the zygote. Since they are all lives from the first cell division we should have police investigations into every miscarriage, just in case the mother did something to cause it. Could be anything from negligent homicide to premeditated murder. Any accident that causes miscarriage now becomes a possible negligent or reckless homicide. Mothers and fathers are all persons of interest in the miscarriage of a fetus. This is the world you want. The framers never envisioned the totalitarian world you seek.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
But an embryo at 20 weeks gestation is not yet a life, so your "a life = a life" equation goes right out the window.

In order for it to be a Life, it must be alive...and an embryo at 20 weeks can't sustain itself outside the womb.
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right....because only the dead ones are aborted.....
 
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