Inalienable Rights And Things That Are Not

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Do humans have an inalienable right to healthcare? By what God or authority do they have a right to healthcare?

If every human or even just American citizens have a right to healthcare, by what authority do they have the right to impose themselves on others to provide that healthcare. Does government have the authority to force healthcare providers to provide their expertise and services to other humans even if they don’t want to? Isn’t any government law that mandates healthcare providers to provide healthcare to people a violation of the 13th amendment? Isn’t that “involuntary servitude?”

If humans have an inalienable right to healthcare by government mandate, why don’t they have an inalienable right to be fed by other people by government mandate?

If humans have an inalienable right by government mandate to healthcare, why shouldn’t they also have the inalienable right by government mandate to a home provided by other people?

I think humans only have inalienable rights that are granted by their creator whoever they believe that to be and those rights are Life, Liberty, Private Property, The Pursuit of happiness and any actions that they choose as long as they violate no rights thus of anybody else. There’s no right to healthcare, food or housing. There’s only the right to peacefully establish those things for one’s self.
 
Who said health care was an "Inalienable Right?"

Making sure Americans have proper health care makes sense economically, and we are a nation based upon Judeo Christian values, so insuring all Americans have health care is in out best interests
 
Robo said:
Do humans have an inalienable right to healthcare? By what God or authority do they have a right to healthcare?

If every human or even just American citizens have a right to healthcare, by what authority do they have the right to impose themselves on others to provide that healthcare. Does government have the authority to force healthcare providers to provide their expertise and services to other humans even if they don’t want to? Isn’t any government law that mandates healthcare providers to provide healthcare to people a violation of the 13th amendment? Isn’t that “involuntary servitude?”

If humans have an inalienable right to healthcare by government mandate, why don’t they have an inalienable right to be fed by other people by government mandate?

If humans have an inalienable right by government mandate to healthcare, why shouldn’t they also have the inalienable right by government mandate to a home provided by other people?

I think humans only have inalienable rights that are granted by their creator whoever they believe that to be and those rights are Life, Liberty, Private Property, The Pursuit of happiness and any actions that they choose as long as they violate no rights thus of anybody else. There’s no right to healthcare, food or housing. There’s only the right to peacefully establish those things for one’s self.
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The laughable inalienable rights from the Creator rears its ridiculous head. Sorry, pal, rights come from man, not some mythical Creator.

But, using your concept, your boy Trump is violating the inalienable rights of the refugees.
 
domer76 said:
The laughable inalienable rights from the Creator rears its ridiculous head. Sorry, pal, rights come from man, not some mythical Creator.
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our rights come from our humanity, not man. the only thing man can do is deny us those rights. something libs and cons are very pro-active in doing.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
our rights come from our humanity, not man. the only thing man can do is deny us those rights. something libs and cons are very pro-active in doing.
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Under the libertarian premise we all have the inaienable right to piss on the sidewalk and sleep under the overpass.
 
archives said:
Who said health care was an "Inalienable Right?"

Making sure Americans have proper health care makes sense economically, and we are a nation based upon Judeo Christian values, so insuring all Americans have health care is in out best interests
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Every leftist, progressive, socialist and most Democrats insist that healthcare is an inalienable right.

Making sure Americans have healthcare is a power delegated to the States. Amendment 10 of the American Constitution forbids the federal government from creating any healthcare program.
 
domer76 said:
The laughable inalienable rights from the Creator rears its ridiculous head. Sorry, pal, rights come from man, not some mythical Creator.
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Prove that my inalienable rights do not come from who I say is my creator. Do you have no respect for the founding documents of the American nation? Are you a communist, a leftist, an atheist or just a brainwashed Democrat?

But, using your concept, your boy Trump is violating the inalienable rights of the refugees.
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What gives you the impression that Trump is in any way, "my boy?"

By what rule of constitutional law do you argue Trump is violating what rights of refugees? I'll wait!
 
stoned said:
Under the libertarian premise we all have the inaienable right to piss on the sidewalk and sleep under the overpass.
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Pissing on the sidewalk is a violation of other people's right to a safe and clean environment even in the libertarian/constitutionalist land.

Sleeping is an inalienable right and your problem with it is what?
 
The demi-God Ronnie & the GOP???

Reagan’s healthcare mandate
In 1986, the GOP icon signed a law that requires hospitals to treat poor people and undocumented immigrants​

As the Romney campaign debates itself about whether the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate is an evil tax or an unconstitutional penalty, it’s worth remembering that Republican presidential icon Ronald Reagan imposed his own national healthcare mandate on the country. The mandate is well know today — it requires emergency rooms to treat anyone in need, regardless of their ability to pay — but the fact that Reagan signed it into law is often forgotten.

By the mid 1980s, so-called patient dumping had became a major concern. The practice involved hospitals transferring patients in need of medical attention to other institutions to avoid footing the bill, or even discharging them before they were properly treated. One influential study of Cook County, Ill., which contains Chicago, found that patients transferred because they lacked insurance were twice as likely to die as those treated at the transferring hospital. The vast majority of these transfers were for the hospitals’ financial reasons, even though it delayed care and jeopardized patients’ health. Physician organizations had policies in place mandating that hospitals treat everyone “regardless of race, creed, sex, nationality, or sources of payment for care,” as the bylaws from the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Hospitals read, but without the force of law behind them, they were often ignored and people went without care.

In 1986, Congress passed the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, which contained the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act. The law requires hospitals to treat patients in need of emergency care regardless of their ability to pay, citizenship or even legal status. It applies to any hospital that takes Medicare funds, which is virtually every hospital in the country.

“It is very clearly a mandate — that is a good point,” said MIT health economist Jonathan Gruber, who advised both the Romney and Obama administrations on their similar healthcare laws. “Mandates are part of our history, under both Republican and Democratic presidents,” he explained in an email to Salon. (Incidentally, the larger Omnibus law is now known commonly as COBRA and lets people stay on their former employers’ health insurance — another healthcare mandate signed by Reagan.)

“Although only 4 pages in length and barely noticed at the time, EMTALA has created a storm of controversy over the ensuing 15 years, and it is now considered one of the most comprehensive laws guaranteeing nondiscriminatory access to emergency medical care and thus to the healthcare system,” Dr. Joseph Zibulewsky wrote in the Baylor University Medical Center Proceedings. The law has helped millions of people seek treatment and likely saved countless lives, but it has also shifted the cost of some treatment for poor people away from the states and onto private hospitals, as the government provided zero funds to accommodate the extra coverage it mandated. According to the American College of Emergency Physicians, which has some qualms with the law as it exists today, “As a result, local and state governments began to abdicate responsibility for charity care, shifting this public responsibility to all hospitals. EMTALA became the de facto national healthcare policy for the uninsured. Congress in 2000 made EMTALA enforcement a priority, with penalties more than $1.17 million, nearly as much as in the first 10 years (about $1.8 million) of the statute combined.” Many observers argue that the law drives up the costs for everyone else, as hospitals have to raise their prices on paying customers in order to cover the costs of their charity care.

The law was often mentioned during the Obamacare debate, as both sides noted that Americans are already paying for poor people’s medical care, either directly or indirectly through this law. But one wonders if the conservatives today would support Reagan’s health mandate, considering that it imposes restrictions on hospitals, shifts costs to the private sector and individual insurance holders, and explicitly mandated the treatment of undocumented immigrants.

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/05/reagans_healthcare_mandate/
 
Robo said:
Every leftist, progressive, socialist and most Democrats insist that healthcare is an inalienable right.

Making sure Americans have healthcare is a power delegated to the States. Amendment 10 of the American Constitution forbids the federal government from creating any healthcare program.
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Every?

Stop smoking the crystal, cockbite.
 
Robo said:
Prove that my inalienable rights do not come from who I say is my creator. Do you have no respect for the founding documents of the American nation? Are you a communist, a leftist, an atheist or just a brainwashed Democrat?



What gives you the impression that Trump is in any way, "my boy?"

By what rule of constitutional law do you argue Trump is violating what rights of refugees? I'll wait!
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You stupid fuck. Prove that you have a creator, asswipe. That is, other than Mommy and Daddy.

Next, just because T. Jefferson wrote those lovely words does not make it fact or law. When the ink was still wet in the Declaration, it was a lie.

It's hilarious that you invoke the inalienable rights thing from the Declaration and yet turn to the Constitution on the refugee issue. The Constitution says nothing about inalienable rights, moron.

The Constitution does mention the general welfare. If health care for all citizens does not qualify as general welfare, what does?
 
domer76 said:
You stupid fuck. Prove that you have a creator, asswipe. That is, other than Mommy and Daddy.
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Oh SO! You can't prove that I have no creator, because I'm here. Ain't that a shame. I can prove I have a creator and you do to. You can't prove there is no creator. Simply hilarious!

Next, just because T. Jefferson wrote those lovely words does not make it fact or law. When the ink was still wet in the Declaration, it was a lie.
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OH! But T. Jefferson could prove he and you and everybody had a "CREATOR" and you can't prove otherwise, that makes you the LIAR little commie!

It's hilarious that you invoke the inalienable rights thing from the Declaration and yet turn to the Constitution on the refugee issue. The Constitution says nothing about inalienable rights, moron.
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The Declaration is the moral grounds upon which the nation was founded, commie. The Constitution is the rule of law based in the founding moral principles, commie.

Inalienable rights commie are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The signers of the Declaration agreed and laid the foundation for the Constitution therewith, commie.

The Constitution does mention the general welfare. If health care for all citizens does not qualify as general welfare, what does?
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The "GENERAL WELFARE" commie is those constitutional acts/powers authorized to the Congress that are enumerated in Article ONE, SECTION EIGHT of the United States Constitution, commie!
 
archives said:
Who said health care was an "Inalienable Right?"

Making sure Americans have proper health care makes sense economically, and we are a nation based upon Judeo Christian values, so insuring all Americans have health care is in out best interests
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I do make sure Americans have proper healthcare. Those Americans are called MY family and they are the only ones for which I have that responsibility.

Obamacare involved government mandated funding of subsidies to those that claimed they couldn't afford coverage. I've yet to see where any of the teachings of Jesus involved having the government mandating anything like that. Perhaps you can show me.

If you want to go by the teachings of Jesus, they involved you doing something because you believed it was the right thing to do. Since you believe someone that doesn't have something like healthcare coverage should have it, by all means provide it to them personally.
 
domer76 said:
You stupid fuck. Prove that you have a creator, asswipe. That is, other than Mommy and Daddy.

Next, just because T. Jefferson wrote those lovely words does not make it fact or law. When the ink was still wet in the Declaration, it was a lie.

It's hilarious that you invoke the inalienable rights thing from the Declaration and yet turn to the Constitution on the refugee issue. The Constitution says nothing about inalienable rights, moron.

The Constitution does mention the general welfare. If health care for all citizens does not qualify as general welfare, what does?
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The Constitution does NOT mention food stamps, healthcare, government housing, or anything else like that.

General welfare doesn't involve the government mandating that one person because they have been personally responsible for providing for themselves provide for those unwilling to do for themselves.
 
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