Inanimate Objects

[RB 60]

Look at the firing pin on one that is exactly the same as they were using...

Don't tell me that it could not accidentally strike a primer and discharge a bullet if the hammer was pulled back even slightly.

And the assistant director on the set has backed Baldwin's claim that he did not have his finger on the trigger.

According to him, Baldwin's finger was sticking straight out forward, parallel with the barrel at the instant the gun went off.

Looks like you all are going to be disappointed once again.

Not gonna get to exploit the death of a woman for political points.

Awwwwwww...... how sad for you poor little Dumpster Trumpsters.

I own an original Colt peacemaker with the same hammer and fixed firing pin. And yes, I AM telling you it will NOT fire if the hammer is partially cocked and left to spring back. Pulling the hammer back about 1/4 fully cocked releases the cylinder lock and the hammer cannot come in contact with a cartridge base at all. On ANY SA. Period.
Same with pulling the trigger just enough to release a fully cocked hammer while keeping your thumb on the hammer and slowly allowing it to come down and releasing the trigger before it is all the way down, the hammer (firing pin) Will NOT hit the cartridge.
Now, tell us exactly how YOUR SA operates...

 

[Flash]

If he pulled the trigger back without the hammer being fully cocked, the gun cannot and will not fire.

Sorry. I did not mean he pulled the trigger back but the hammer and asked if it was pulled back enough for the shot.

 

[Flash]

He pulled the HAMMER back, not the trigger.

Correct, my error.

 

[RB 60]

Sorry. I did not mean he pulled the trigger back but the hammer and asked if it was pulled back enough for the shot.

There are 3 "clicks" when a hammer is pulled back on an SA. The first, just barely pulled back releases a "stop" that locks the trigger and hammer from fully discharging (coming in contact with the cartridge). The second "click" releases the cylinder stop allowing the cylinder to be rotated to load/unload the firearm. The third "click" is when the hammer is fully cocked and it can only be released by pulling the trigger. That is on an original Colt Peacemaker. Newer SA's have even better safety features built in, many with a "lock bar" that makes misfires virtually impossible
I own 4 SA's. One (as stated above) original Peacemaker, 2 second gen. Colts and a modern Uberti. I'd say I know a little about how they function.

 

[Nomad]

I own an original Colt peacemaker with the same hammer and fixed firing pin.

Prove it.

Otherwise I don't believe you.

And yes, I AM telling you it will NOT fire if the hammer is partially cocked and left to spring back. Pulling the hammer back about 1/4 fully cocked releases the cylinder lock and the hammer cannot come in contact with a cartridge base at all. On ANY SA. Period.
Same with pulling the trigger just enough to release a fully cocked hammer while keeping your thumb on the hammer and slowly allowing it to come down and releasing the trigger before it is all the way down, the hammer (firing pin) Will NOT hit the cartridge.
Now, tell us exactly how YOUR SA operates...

Funny... there are actual experts (which you obviosly are not one of) who say it's possible.

I'll go with their opinion if you don't mind.

Yours I'll just "file" in the appropriate location....

Buh - bye.

 

[RB 60]

Prove it.

Otherwise I don't believe you.



Funny... there are actual experts (which you obviosly are not one of) who say it's possible.

I'll go with their opinion if you don't mind.

Yours I'll just "file" in the appropriate location....

Buh - bye.

Believe what you want. America is still a country where you can believe what you wish (even when you have no clue what it is you believe).
Sadly, it has already become a country where, depending who or what (sex?) you are, you are no longer responsible for your own actions.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

It is the fault of Baldwin and the fault of the armorer. You are supposed to always check the gun.

In my opinion, Baldwin is guilty just because the Buck always stops at the top! Right? Baldwin is the executive director, so therefore, he could be sued for the death of the actress in a Civil Court. I don't think the Actresses family will sue- but one never knows.

I will say this- there is not a prosecutor on earth that thinks they could get a conviction of manslaughter on Baldwin in a criminal court.

 

[Flash]

There are 3 "clicks" when a hammer is pulled back on an SA. The first, just barely pulled back releases a "stop" that locks the trigger and hammer from fully discharging (coming in contact with the cartridge). The second "click" releases the cylinder stop allowing the cylinder to be rotated to load/unload the firearm. The third "click" is when the hammer is fully cocked and it can only be released by pulling the trigger. That is on an original Colt Peacemaker. Newer SA's have even better safety features built in, many with a "lock bar" that makes misfires virtually impossible
I own 4 SA's. One (as stated above) original Peacemaker, 2 second gen. Colts and a modern Uberti. I'd say I know a little about how they function.

Thanks. I was citing Baldwin's story from his TV interview.

 

[Into the Night]

Believe what you want. America is still a country where you can believe what you wish (even when you have no clue what it is you believe).
Sadly, it has already become a country where, depending who or what (sex?) you are, you are no longer responsible for your own actions.

A lot of people have no idea what sex they are!

 

[gfm7175]

The gun firing without the trigger being pulled is not as far-fetched as it sounds at first.

A single-action revolver with the old-style firing mechanism can fire without either the hammer being cocked or the trigger being pulled. When the hammer is down on that kind of revolver, the firing pin protrudes and, if a live round is loaded in the chamber underneath, a sharp enough jolt can cause the pin to strike the round’s primer with enough force to set it off.

Already addressed. Try to keep up.

 

[gfm7175]

The gun they were using was an antique, clown.

It was from the 1800's.

Because that's the era in which the movie was set.

Jeez, you're fucking thick-headed.

I'm assuming that the gun wasn't actually an antique, but rather a replica of an antique... I could be wrong about that though.

 

[RB 60]

I'm assuming that the gun wasn't actually an antique, but rather a replica of an antique... I could be wrong about that though.

I believe it was a Pietta replica, and it didn't misfire.

 

[Nordberg]

In any event, Baldwin is the issue (not the gun), whether it be his negligence or otherwise.

Only to you and other rightys. The issue is we do not know how it happened. It is being investigated. Then we will have a better understanding. It will mean nothing to you. Once you stake out a position, you do not change. You should have a more open mind.

 

[gfm7175]

Only to you and other rightys. The issue is we do not know how it happened. It is being investigated. Then we will have a better understanding. It will mean nothing to you. Once you stake out a position, you do not change. You should have a more open mind.

 

[Into the Night]

In my opinion, Baldwin is guilty just because the Buck always stops at the top! Right? Baldwin is the executive director, so therefore, he could be sued for the death of the actress in a Civil Court. I don't think the Actresses family will sue- but one never knows.

I will say this- there is not a prosecutor on earth that thinks they could get a conviction of manslaughter on Baldwin in a criminal court.

You don't get to speak for all prosecutors. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy.

 

[Nomad]

I'm assuming that the gun wasn't actually an antique, but rather a replica of an antique... I could be wrong about that though.

Already addressed. Try to keep up.

 

[Nomad]

I believe it was a Pietta replica, and it didn't misfire.

Eyewitness said Baldwin DID NOT have his finger on the trigger.

Said he had it straight out, pointing forward, aligned with the barrel.

You're gonna have to beat that, Trumpsucker.

 

[gfm7175]

Already addressed. Try to keep up.

Mockery.

 

[Nomad]

Mockery.

Yes, that's exactly what you and your fellow Trumpsucker crowd are.

A mockery of all that is decent.

 

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

It seems to be the popular thing these days to blame inanimate objects for crimes that occur rather than the people who are committing them.


Alec Baldwin claims that he did not pull the trigger. The immediate follow up question to him should be: "Then who did?"

The lying manipulative news media has also ran many headlines claiming that "an SUV" "crashed" into a "holiday parade" rather than being honest about a black supremacist with a mile long rap sheet getting out on $1,000 bail so he can target a (generally speaking) very pasty white community and intentionally run over as many children as possible in his hate crime fueled massacre.


No, the gun did not "pull the trigger" -- Alec Baldwin did.

No, the SUV did not commit a massacre that targeted children in a (generally speaking) pasty white community -- Darrell Brooks Jr (a black supremacist hate-crime-committing mass murderer) did.

inanimate object = Katzgar's brain.