-DIXIE, August 10, on Iraq: "… how utterly desperate the anti-war crowd is. Still trying to lie and mislead people with propaganda like this, and still chanting to "bring them home" when it's clear, they are coming home soon, the job is almost complete! Our forces will come back home when the job is finished, and not because you pinheads 'spirited' them back with your war protests."
IRAQ: the single greatest military accomplishment of our generation!
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-DIXIE, August 10, on Iraq: "… how utterly desperate the anti-war crowd is. Still trying to lie and mislead people with propaganda like this, and still chanting to "bring them home" when it's clear, they are coming home soon, the job is almost complete! Our forces will come back home when the job is finished, and not because you pinheads 'spirited' them back with your war protests."
I kid you not, I uttered these exact words in the months leading to the war. Specifically, Iran. Strategically the US would have been much better off leaving Sadam in power.
maineman
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having Saddam in power as a foil for Iranian hegemony and as a strong force against islamic extremism made infinitely more sense for America than removing him which gave a huge boost to Iran and to Islamic extremists. But no matter how much sense that makes, you will never get Dixie to admit he'd made a mistake. Hell....he won't even admit that he had been slandering me for months on end when Cypress threw the proof of it right in his face!
OrnotBitwise
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No, no. Junkies are quiet and inoffensive. This is mescaline.
Dixie, you need to learn to distinguish between "cactus real" and "real real" dude. I know it's hard, but you can do it, man.
OrnotBitwise
Watermelon
With Waldo.
uscitizen
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Is osama getting royalty payments off the Republican ads ?
AnyOldIron
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Wow, Dixie, you are in denial aren't you?
Replaced a secular, though brutal, dictator with a nation collapsing about itself.
Held an election and called it the world's first Arab democracy, despite the fact that an election doesn't make a democracy.
You claim to have freed 25 million people....freed them into a civil war and a higher death rate than under SH.
It is the first large scale debacle of the C21st. Strategically it was a total clusterfuck and troops on the ground have acted so badly and used such poor tactics that they have exasperated the problem.
You need to move past the denial and stop hanging onto false victories such as the holding of a ballot, removing SH and accept what is actually going on on the ground, take note of what senior generals and former SoS's say.
This thread really makes you look daft.
Replaced a secular, though brutal, dictator with a nation collapsing about itself.
Held an election and called it the world's first Arab democracy, despite the fact that an election doesn't make a democracy.
You claim to have freed 25 million people....freed them into a civil war and a higher death rate than under SH.
It is the first large scale debacle of the C21st. Strategically it was a total clusterfuck and troops on the ground have acted so badly and used such poor tactics that they have exasperated the problem.
You need to move past the denial and stop hanging onto false victories such as the holding of a ballot, removing SH and accept what is actually going on on the ground, take note of what senior generals and former SoS's say.
This thread really makes you look daft.
Poor Dixie, he still can't explain how a president who can say "And, again, I don't know where [bin Laden] is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him." George Bush at Press Conference, March 13, 2002.
Can then, after 4 more years in which he claimed that bin Laden was no longer a threat because of his leadership style and the work that the President had done in defanging him, turn around and run a campaign ad that attempts to generate fear of terrorism and shows bin Laden as a threat to America's National Security.
When Dixie and the rest of the Republicans and their various supporters begin to answer these kinds of troubling questions then I might at least have to take their responses seriously until then, I don't and won't.
Can then, after 4 more years in which he claimed that bin Laden was no longer a threat because of his leadership style and the work that the President had done in defanging him, turn around and run a campaign ad that attempts to generate fear of terrorism and shows bin Laden as a threat to America's National Security.
When Dixie and the rest of the Republicans and their various supporters begin to answer these kinds of troubling questions then I might at least have to take their responses seriously until then, I don't and won't.
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This thread has proven my asumptions that Dixie is indeed delusional.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Wow, Dixie, you are in denial aren't you?
Nope, you are!
Replaced a secular, though brutal, dictator with a nation collapsing about itself.
No, replaced one of the most heinous rulers of modern history, also known as The Butcher of Baghdad, with a unity government trying to form a democracy in a place where democracy has never existed.
Held an election and called it the world's first Arab democracy, despite the fact that an election doesn't make a democracy.
No, held 3 elections, all of which, garnered more support from Iraqi citizens under the threats of death, than any modern American election. And I am sorry, but the dictionary has a definition of "democracy" and this fits, precisely.
You claim to have freed 25 million people....freed them into a civil war and a higher death rate than under SH.
No, I don't "claim" it, this is a fact. As for the "death rate" under Saddam, this is a fact we simply can't confirm or know for certain, so there is no way to compare. We can assume that Saddam was honest, and the "death rate" under his regime was properly reported, but since we know that Saddam is a brutal tyrant dictator who does nothing but lie, it seems a little stupid to assume the "death rate" under Saddam, as being totally accurate.
It is the first large scale debacle of the C21st.
In your wrongheaded opinion, this is the case. In historic retrospect, it will be the single greatest military accomplishment of our generation, perhaps the entire 21st century, if it pans out the way it should.
Strategically it was a total clusterfuck and troops on the ground have acted so badly and used such poor tactics that they have exasperated the problem.
Not really, there have been some tactical and strategic errors, but this happens in every war. There have been some bad apples, again, happens in every war. No one has "exasperated" anything, except for Democrats, who have exasperated themselves beating the anti-war drums... I think you might have meant "exacerbated" the problem, which hasn't happened either... the problem was Saddam, and he is currently on trial, not exacerbating the problems for us and his people anymore.
You need to move past the denial and stop hanging onto false victories such as the holding of a ballot, removing SH and accept what is actually going on on the ground, take note of what senior generals and former SoS's say.
I pay attention to one thing, how effectively we are accomplishing the overall objective in Iraq and the War on Terror. I don't pay attention to doom-and-gloom from the left, who didn't want to be in this war in the first place. What the fuck does anyone expect their position to be, other than, against this war?
This thread really makes you look daft.
Well, you see... I think you have to make an argument for this, rather than just proclaim it. It's real easy to just throw out something like that... watch this... AnyoldIron, this thread makes you look like an idiot! See how easy it was for me to say that? Of course, it's not based on any facts or even true in the least, everyone knows, you don't need a thread to make you look like an idiot, you can do that all by yourself.
Nope, you are!
Replaced a secular, though brutal, dictator with a nation collapsing about itself.
No, replaced one of the most heinous rulers of modern history, also known as The Butcher of Baghdad, with a unity government trying to form a democracy in a place where democracy has never existed.
Held an election and called it the world's first Arab democracy, despite the fact that an election doesn't make a democracy.
No, held 3 elections, all of which, garnered more support from Iraqi citizens under the threats of death, than any modern American election. And I am sorry, but the dictionary has a definition of "democracy" and this fits, precisely.
You claim to have freed 25 million people....freed them into a civil war and a higher death rate than under SH.
No, I don't "claim" it, this is a fact. As for the "death rate" under Saddam, this is a fact we simply can't confirm or know for certain, so there is no way to compare. We can assume that Saddam was honest, and the "death rate" under his regime was properly reported, but since we know that Saddam is a brutal tyrant dictator who does nothing but lie, it seems a little stupid to assume the "death rate" under Saddam, as being totally accurate.
It is the first large scale debacle of the C21st.
In your wrongheaded opinion, this is the case. In historic retrospect, it will be the single greatest military accomplishment of our generation, perhaps the entire 21st century, if it pans out the way it should.
Strategically it was a total clusterfuck and troops on the ground have acted so badly and used such poor tactics that they have exasperated the problem.
Not really, there have been some tactical and strategic errors, but this happens in every war. There have been some bad apples, again, happens in every war. No one has "exasperated" anything, except for Democrats, who have exasperated themselves beating the anti-war drums... I think you might have meant "exacerbated" the problem, which hasn't happened either... the problem was Saddam, and he is currently on trial, not exacerbating the problems for us and his people anymore.
You need to move past the denial and stop hanging onto false victories such as the holding of a ballot, removing SH and accept what is actually going on on the ground, take note of what senior generals and former SoS's say.
I pay attention to one thing, how effectively we are accomplishing the overall objective in Iraq and the War on Terror. I don't pay attention to doom-and-gloom from the left, who didn't want to be in this war in the first place. What the fuck does anyone expect their position to be, other than, against this war?
This thread really makes you look daft.
Well, you see... I think you have to make an argument for this, rather than just proclaim it. It's real easy to just throw out something like that... watch this... AnyoldIron, this thread makes you look like an idiot! See how easy it was for me to say that? Of course, it's not based on any facts or even true in the least, everyone knows, you don't need a thread to make you look like an idiot, you can do that all by yourself.
In his latest post on this thread Dixie Writes that "the dictionary has a definition of "democracy" and this fits, precisely." Later in that same post in response to another claim by Any Old Iron he offers up this rather insightful challenge "I think you have to make an argument for this, rather than just proclaim it. It's real easy to just throw out something like that." And so in the very spirit of Dixie's own post I challenge him to demonstrate not just "proclaim" that the Dictionary really does define "democracy" as he claims here.
maineman
Banned
"I pay attention to one thing, how effectively we are accomplishing the overall objective in Iraq and the War on Terror."
Afghanistan's government's control non-existent outside of Kabul.
Pakistan making deals with the Taliban
OBL untouched in his mountain lair.
Iran flexing its muscles unencumbered by any regional foil.
Iraq devolving into a bloody civil war where the violence seems to be increasing geometrically.
nearly 200 MORE dead Americans than you said we'd lose in total and October on track to be the second bloodiest month ever (after the seige of Fallujah)
You claim to be paying attention, but what, exactly are you paying attention to? Have you MISSED all of the things I listed above?
Afghanistan's government's control non-existent outside of Kabul.
Pakistan making deals with the Taliban
OBL untouched in his mountain lair.
Iran flexing its muscles unencumbered by any regional foil.
Iraq devolving into a bloody civil war where the violence seems to be increasing geometrically.
nearly 200 MORE dead Americans than you said we'd lose in total and October on track to be the second bloodiest month ever (after the seige of Fallujah)
You claim to be paying attention, but what, exactly are you paying attention to? Have you MISSED all of the things I listed above?
uscitizen
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Absolutely. and this is the second generation to undergo that. Nothing was learned from the first fiasco.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I don't need to get into a word-parsing semantics argument with an idiot, I know what the dictionary says. I challenge you to prove me wrong, if you can. If not, that's okay too, I really don't give a flying fuck what you have to say.
Over 70% of the voters in Iraq, have gone to the polls twice, amid the threat of death, to democratically elect their representatives and parliament, and once, to approve a constitution. I think, when Arnold speaks of "denial" it certainly fits you, if you don't consider this "democracy." In every sense of the word, it is indeed democracy, and to deny this, or refuse to acknowledge it, is simply beyond reasonable logic, and void of comprehensive thought.
Then again, you are retarded, so I don't anticipate you understanding much of anything.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Sad to you, perhaps... because you are incapable of seeing past your partisan views, or intellectual sophistry, to fully comprehend and understand what Iraq means for the future of the Middle East.
When, in the distant future, teachers and professors educate our kids on world history, they will undoubtedly point to the democratization of the region as the ideological victor over the radical elements, which ultimately caused lasting peace. Just because you are unable to see this now, or unwilling to think it is possible in the future, is of no consequence.
Time will decide how "sad" or "used" our generation was, not Stringy!
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Nothing was learned from the first fiasco.
Apparently, the lesson wasn't learned by Cut-n-Run Pinheads!
Apparently, the lesson wasn't learned by Cut-n-Run Pinheads!