Is gun control constitutional? Is it racist? Is it even possible?

[danielpalos]

Define 'police power'. The Illinois State Constitution doesn't.
Apparently you don't know what 'individual citizen' means. Apparently you don't know what 'people' means either.

The State if Illinois, like every State in the Union, is subject to the 2nd amendment. That amendment applies to both federal and State governments.

You cannot use the 2nd amendment to cancel the 2nd amendment, nor Article I, $22 of the Illinois State constitution to cancel the 2nd amendment.

Your ignorance does not make it is suspect. It is merely, Your ignorance.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/police power

 

[Into the Night]

militia are people of adult age basically.

all adults can keep and bare arms.

Other than the misspelling, you are correct about this right of the people.

Different States define the militia differently. Since this joker is apparently in Illinois, I suggest you (and he) read the entirety of Article XII of that Constitution. It defines what the militia is made up of, describes it as an organized militia, and gives certain privileges to those serving in the State militia.

 

[Into the Night]

You miss the point about our Second Amendment covering that State's sovereign right. There are no individual terms in our Second Article of Amendment to our federal Constitution.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

People are individuals.

 

[Into the Night]

And all these “individual rights” in the Bill of Rights, can be and are, regulated, no Constitutional right is absolute, never have been

There is no such thing as a "Constitutional right". Rights do not come from a piece of paper.

The right of self defense is inherent. Even animals have this right. It does not come from any constitution or any regulation.
You cannot use regulations to cancel the 2nd amendment.

 

[Into the Night]

lol. You are very droll. Only well regulated militia of the United States have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bear Arms for their State or the Union (not themselves as individuals.)

You cannot use the 2nd amendment to discard the 2nd amendment.

 

[danielpalos]

People are individuals.

Only well regulated militia have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when being Necessary to the security of a free State.

 

[Into the Night]

The above applies ONLY to Illinois.

Oddly enough, the Illinois constitution never defines what 'police power' actually means.
Illinois does not have authority to cancel the binding effect of the 2nd amendment in the Constitution of the United States. The restrictions upon government by amendment applies to every State as well as the federal government. They agreed to it when they joined the Union.

Obviously, the Illinois State constitution is flawed, since they never define what 'police power' actually means. It DOES mention that all police, military, etc is subject to the authority of the citizens of that State though.

 

[danielpalos]

You cannot use the 2nd amendment to discard the 2nd amendment.

Only well regulated militia of the People are declared Necessary not the People as Individuals. Our Second Amendment is clear not ambiguous in any way.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

The End justifies the Means not the reverse.

the ends justify the means is an immoral principle you know.

 

[danielpalos]

the ends justify the means is an immoral principle you know.

Not at all. Our Constitution is clear.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Not at all. Our Constitution is clear.

yes, the peoples right to keep and bury arms shall not be infringed.

 

[danielpalos]

yes, the peoples right to keep and bury arms shall not be infringed.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about anything more than Amorality.

That is the Means not the End. Our Second Amendment is clear. Only right-wingers are "too dumb to understand".

 

[Into the Night]

we are going to have to agree to disagree.

US Constitution, Article 1, Section 10, clause 3

"No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

You don't get to discard the Constitution by 'agreeing to disagree'. Cliche fallacy.
Go read ALL of Article I, $10; Article I, $8; and various State constitutions that define what 'militia' means and how they are organized.

 

[Into the Night]

Isn't right-wing fantasy wonderful. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.

 

[Into the Night]

The End justifies the Means not the reverse.

Cliche fallacy. Denial of the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment has no 'ends' and does not describe a means. It only describes two related inherent rights and forbids the federal and State governments from interfering with it.

 

[Into the Night]

Only well regulated militia of the People are declared Necessary not the People as Individuals. Our Second Amendment is clear not ambiguous in any way.

You cannot alter the 2nd amendment to discard the 2nd amendment.

 

[Into the Night]

Your ignorance does not make it is suspect. It is merely, Your ignorance.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/police power

Random phrases and quotes. False authority fallacy. No dictionary defines any word or phrase.

So you are actually arguing that a police state (aka oligarchy or dictatorship) is justified in attempting to ban guns???? You are attempting to define 'police power' as anything from a traffic cop to a standing army raised by a dictator???

 

[Into the Night]

Not at all. Our Constitution is clear.

And you discard it.

 

[Into the Night]

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about anything more than Amorality.

That is the Means not the End. Our Second Amendment is clear. Only right-wingers are "too dumb to understand".

You cannot add words to the 2nd amendment nor any other part of the Constitution. You just discard the Constitution.

 

[danielpalos]

Random phrases and quotes. False authority fallacy. No dictionary defines any word or phrase.

So you are actually arguing that a police state (aka oligarchy or dictatorship) is justified in attempting to ban guns???? You are attempting to define 'police power' as anything from a traffic cop to a standing army raised by a dictator???

lol. You are on the right-wing and only have fallacy not any "gospel Truth".