Is Marxism atheistic?

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In 1843 the young Karl Marx wrote in a critical essay on German philosophy that religion is “the opium of the people”, a phrase that would eventually harden into official atheism for the communist movement, though it poorly represented the true opinions of its founding theorist.

Marx also wrote that religion is “the sentiment of a heartless world” and “the soul of soul-less conditions”, as if to suggest that even the most fantastical beliefs bear within themselves a protest against worldly suffering and a promise to redeem us from conditions that might otherwise appear beyond all possible change.

https://www.newstatesman.com/internatio ... nd-secular
 
BidenPresident said:
In 1843 the young Karl Marx wrote in a critical essay on German philosophy that religion is “the opium of the people”, a phrase that would eventually harden into official atheism for the communist movement, though it poorly represented the true opinions of its founding theorist.

Marx also wrote that religion is “the sentiment of a heartless world” and “the soul of soul-less conditions”, as if to suggest that even the most fantastical beliefs bear within themselves a protest against worldly suffering and a promise to redeem us from conditions that might otherwise appear beyond all possible change.

https://www.newstatesman.com/internatio ... nd-secular
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yes. they may be religious as they see it a valuable tool of social control.
 
BidenPresident said:
In 1843 the young Karl Marx wrote in a critical essay on German philosophy that religion is “the opium of the people”, a phrase that would eventually harden into official atheism for the communist movement, though it poorly represented the true opinions of its founding theorist.

Marx also wrote that religion is “the sentiment of a heartless world” and “the soul of soul-less conditions”, as if to suggest that even the most fantastical beliefs bear within themselves a protest against worldly suffering and a promise to redeem us from conditions that might otherwise appear beyond all possible change.

https://www.newstatesman.com/internatio ... nd-secular
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Does it make a difference?

No one today is a strict word for word Marxist, just like Locke, Smith, Voltaire, or any political/economic philosopher, their concepts have been changed, evolved, and adapted to meet current times
 
BidenPresident said:
In 1843 the young Karl Marx wrote in a critical essay on German philosophy that religion is “the opium of the people”, a phrase that would eventually harden into official atheism for the communist movement, though it poorly represented the true opinions of its founding theorist.

Marx also wrote that religion is “the sentiment of a heartless world” and “the soul of soul-less conditions”, as if to suggest that even the most fantastical beliefs bear within themselves a protest against worldly suffering and a promise to redeem us from conditions that might otherwise appear beyond all possible change.

https://www.newstatesman.com/internatio ... nd-secular
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Marxism that is what blm is based on and those who started it were Marxist , your fellow democrats dumb ass
 
archives said:
Does it make a difference?

No one today is a strict word for word Marxist, just like Locke, Smith, Voltaire, or any political/economic philosopher, their concepts have been changed, evolved, and adapted to meet current times
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However, it remains an eternal question which is still with us today.

The Marxian thesis of human alienation in which human dignity is enslaved to the market forces, and that human qualities like justice and ethics are enslaved to an imaginary metaphysical God, are questions that remain with us today. I am sure there are about ten thousand posts on this board alone, where some poster contends that deferring our human qualities of virtue and morality to an omniscient metaphysical power is robbing ourselves of human sovereignty.

My two cents: Marx's theory of historical determinism has been discredited, but as a political philosopher and social scientist he was still asking the right questions.
 
archives said:
Does it make a difference?

No one today is a strict word for word Marxist, just like Locke, Smith, Voltaire, or any political/economic philosopher, their concepts have been changed, evolved, and adapted to meet current times
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Everything is vague and indeterminate. Good point.
 
Bulletbob said:
Marxism that is what blm is based on and those who started it were Marxist
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It's true that one woman who claims to be a leader of BLM said she was a "trained Marxist".

Where do you train as a Marxist these days? I used to spar with one on the Amazon Politics Forum, but his training seemed a bit lacking. When I mentioned the "withering away of the state" with the coming of true communism, he'd never heard of it. I bet you haven't either.
 
Cypress said:
However, it remains an eternal question which is still with us today.

The Marxian thesis of human alienation in which human dignity is enslaved to the market forces, and that human qualities like justice and ethics are enslaved to an imaginary metaphysical God, are questions that remain with us today. I am sure there are about ten thousand posts on this board alone, where some poster contends that deferring our human qualities of virtue and morality to an omniscient metaphysical power is robbing ourselves of human sovereignty.

My two cents: Marx's theory of historical determinism has been discredited, but as a political philosopher and social scientist he was still asking the right questions.
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The Marxian thesis of human alienation in which human dignity is enslaved to the market forces, and that human qualities like justice and ethics are enslaved to an imaginary metaphysical God, are questions that remain with us today. I am sure there are about ten thousand posts on this board alone, where some poster contends that deferring our human qualities of virtue and morality to an omniscient metaphysical power is robbing ourselves of human sovereignty.

My two cents: Marx's theory of historical determinism has been discredited, but as a political philosopher and social scientist he was still asking the right questions.[/QUOTE]

Agree with what you said. Marx got his idea of historical determination from Hegel, who thought necessary consequences followed from previous conditions. That capitalism had to be followed by socialism, or communism, was never proven by Marx.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
It's true that one woman who claims to be a leader of BLM said she was a "trained Marxist".

Where do you train as a Marxist these days? I used to spar with one on the Amazon Politics Forum, but his training seemed a bit lacking. When I mentioned the "withering away of the state" with the coming of true communism, he'd never heard of it. I bet you haven't either.
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Bulletbob knows a lot of nothing about marxism.
 
AssHatZombie said:
because many marxists, while actually atheists, will still be involved with organized religion insincerely, to access it's miind control aspects.

my comment is the most interesting on topic part of this thread.
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Let me get this straight. Marxists are pretending to be religious in order to access mind control techniques. What are these mind control aspects?
 
AssHatZombie said:
god said do this, god said do that.....

this is what jesus would do...

Mohammed said do that... etc...
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I follow. In the article, the author mentioned this problem. His point was that religion has to open itself to rational criticism. So I think he was sympathetic to your argument.
 
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