Is Marxism atheistic?

BidenPresident said:
I follow. In the article, the author mentioned this problem. His point was that religion has to open itself to rational criticism. So I think he was sympathetic to your argument.
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but faith is actually important. gods valuation of all life is different from the statist genociders, and that's what these "rationalists" want to attack, gods ability to embolden people against their worldy oppressors.
 
AssHatZombie said:
god said do this, god said do that.....

this is what jesus would do...

Mohammed said do that... etc...
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To avoid this risk, all values, including religious values, must be susceptible to public criticism. But this means that theological concepts have no special privilege in modern politics. They are drawn into the turbulence of public debate and they can survive only if they meet with generalised consent, including among unbelievers or members of other faiths.


https://www.newstatesman.com/international/2020/12/between-sacred-and-secular
 
BidenPresident said:
To avoid this risk, all values, including religious values, must be susceptible to public criticism. But this means that theological concepts have no special privilege in modern politics. They are drawn into the turbulence of public debate and they can survive only if they meet with generalised consent, including among unbelievers or members of other faiths.


https://www.newstatesman.com/international/2020/12/between-sacred-and-secular
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no. religious freedom must be sacrosanct.

have debates. but there can be no conclusions made into law forever more.

maybe you're just talking about free speech. im for that.
 
BidenPresident said:
In 1843 the young Karl Marx wrote in a critical essay on German philosophy that religion is “the opium of the people”, a phrase that would eventually harden into official atheism for the communist movement, though it poorly represented the true opinions of its founding theorist.

Marx also wrote that religion is “the sentiment of a heartless world” and “the soul of soul-less conditions”, as if to suggest that even the most fantastical beliefs bear within themselves a protest against worldly suffering and a promise to redeem us from conditions that might otherwise appear beyond all possible change.

https://www.newstatesman.com/internatio ... nd-secular
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No. Do you think Marx was an atheist or was he, like we see in the US with televangelists, simply tired of the money-grubbers using a religious mask to fleece hard working people?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
No. Do you think Marx was an atheist or was he, like we see in the US with televangelists, tired of the money-grubbers using a religious mask to fleece hard working people?
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Not clear to me what Marx actually believed. But I do not think he believed that your reward was in heaven after you died.
 
Bulletbob said:
Marxism that is what blm is based on and those who started it were Marxist , your fellow democrats dumb ass
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So? What does that have to do with the price of wheat in Kansas? Or, in this case, whether Marxism = atheism.
 
BidenPresident said:
Not clear to me what Marx actually believed. But I do not think he believed that your reward was in heaven after you died.
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He was talking about Roman Catholics. The US is mainly Protestant, but Evangelicals have occupied the same niche as the Vatican in Europe.

Spiritually, consider Pascal's Wager. Mortally, do your best to survive and care for those you love.
 
BidenPresident said:
Where did Marx specifically mention Roman Catholics?
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They were the most organized religion in Europe....which isn't a high bar to cross with most Euros.

The full quote in context:

The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
He was talking about Roman Catholics. The US is mainly Protestant, but Evangelicals have occupied the same niche as the Vatican in Europe.

Spiritually, consider Pascal's Wager. Mortally, do your best to survive and care for those you love.
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including genocide on undesirables, yep, that's marx.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
They were the most organized religion in Europe....which isn't a high bar to cross with most Euros.

The full quote in context:

The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
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Nothing about the Roman Catholic church in there.
 
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