Is the death penalty expiring?

Dahmer confessed to 15 murders and got life....
Murderer Charlie Manson, enjoying life right where he wants to be, in prison, cared for by taxpayers.
Serial killer, David Berkowitz, got life....
Gary Ridgway, murdered 71 women....life
Donald Harvey, murdered 87.....life
Juan Corona, murdered 25....life
Charles Cullen, murdered 18,,,,,life
I could go on and on....

The list seems endless, and all these scumbags watched TV, ate all they wanted, and got free medical care.....as long as they live.....

What a great country.....
 
bravo said:
Dahmer confessed to 15 murders and got life....
Murderer Charlie Manson, enjoying life right where he wants to be, in prison, cared for by taxpayers.
Serial killer, David Berkowitz, got life....
Gary Ridgway, murdered 71 women....life
Donald Harvey, murdered 87.....life
Juan Corona, murdered 25....life
Charles Cullen, murdered 18,,,,,life
I could go on and on....

The list seems endless, and all these scumbags watched TV, ate all they wanted, and got free medical care.....as long as they live.....

What a great country.....
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You are in the minority, according to a survey.

"Sixty-one percent of registered voters said they would favor a punishment for murder other than the death penalty, according to a survey.."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...er-Majority-supports-an-alternative-poll-says
 
bravo said:
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I just said we were a great country....so very compassionate in allowing these scumbags to enjoy some sort of life.....
Maybe I'm in the majority??? haha....
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I would be glad to see the death penalty abolished. Hopefully it happen soon.
 
It's just a waste of money to give them an easy out rather than a long life of imprisonment. The result is the same, but they get a long wait before they meet their maker, and overall it costs less.
 
Damocles said:
It's just a waste of money to give them an easy out rather than a long life of imprisonment. The result is the same, but they get a long wait before they meet their maker, and overall it costs less.
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And, in cases where the convictions turn out be be improper, the state is not responsible for murdering an innocent person.
 
Damocles said:
It's just a waste of money to give them an easy out rather than a long life of imprisonment. The result is the same, but they get a long wait before they meet their maker, and overall it costs less.
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I heard that before....its cheaper to keep them in prison for 50 or 60 years than to give time one .45 in the head.....
Does that really make sense to you?

I think we've been sold some bullshit from the left and just accept it as true....
Normally, the left is only to happy to sacrifice or at least penalize one or two innocent for the greater good....but not for this particular issue...
 
bravo said:
I heard that before....its cheaper to keep them in prison for 50 or 60 years than to give time one .45 in the head.....
Does that really make sense to you?

I think we've been sold some bullshit from the left and just accept it as true....
Normally, the left is only to happy to sacrifice one or two innocent for the greater good....but not for this particular issue...
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Perhaps you might put your bloodlust on hold for just a moment and consider the following:

"Practical considerations are moving states – and juries – away from capital punishment. A big factor is cost, driven up by the lengthy appeals process and the expense of investigation and litigation when a life is at stake. Kansas estimates, for example, that the median cost of a death penalty case is 70 percent higher than for a murder case where the death penalty is not given.

Juries are also more cautious about mistaken convictions (139 people sentenced to death have been exonerated since 1973). The Supreme Court, too, has narrowed the field of those who may be executed, eliminating juveniles and those diagnosed as mentally retarded. And the death penalty is not an effective deterrent against crime.

But the moral argument against capital punishment should not be forgotten. A government’s job is to preserve life, not compound a terrible wrong by taking another life. A death sentence cuts off the opportunity for redemption and leans on an outdated concept of justice based on revenge.

The practical concerns spurring the anti-death-penalty trend are important, but circumstances can change. The moral imperative does not."

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-monitors-view/2010/0108/Switching-off-the-death-penalty
 
bravo said:
I heard that before....its cheaper to keep them in prison for 50 or 60 years than to give time one .45 in the head.....
Does that really make sense to you?

I think we've been sold some bullshit from the left and just accept it as true....
Normally, the left is only to happy to sacrifice or at least penalize one or two innocent for the greater good....but not for this particular issue...
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What makes sense to me is that the powers that we limited government to does not include subsequent killings that would be relatively cheap. They get special cells, treatment, a nice long life while they get constant appeals and extensions. They usually die of old age before they are executed and all of those things make them cost more.

The net result is the same, it was just cheaper for the taxpayer and the guy didn't get to escape that crappy life of forced buttsecks by an easy and kind death.

Put them in prison and don't let them out until they are cremated or embalmed.
 
Damocles said:
What makes sense to me is that the powers that we limited government to does not include subsequent killings that would be relatively cheap. They get special cells, treatment, a nice long life while they get constant appeals and extensions. They usually die of old age before they are executed and all of those things make them cost more.

The net result is the same, it was just cheaper for the taxpayer and the guy didn't get to escape that crappy life of forced buttsecks by an easy and kind death.

Put them in prison and don't let them out until they are cremated or embalmed.
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You watch some of those gangland shows on the History Channel and some of these dudes have serious power and are still calling the shots on the outside from inside their jail cell so it's not like they are just rotting in prison.
 
cawacko said:
You watch some of those gangland shows on the History Channel and some of these dudes have serious power and are still calling the shots on the outside from inside their jail cell so it's not like they are just rotting in prison.
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That's not the point. Most civilized nations stopped executions a while ago.

"The nation has been pulling back from sanctioned killing as a punishment for heinous crimes. In 2009, 106 people were handed death sentences – a record low since 1976, when the US Supreme Court upheld capital punishment.

Last year, the American Law Institute, which put in place the intellectual underpinnings of the modern capital justice system, abandoned its work in this field. The Supreme Court relied heavily on the institute’s framework when it decided to uphold capital punishment. But the institute has concluded that it’s not possible to ensure “a minimally adequate system for administering” the death penalty. A review for the institute cited many problems, including a lack of fairness."

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-monitors-view/2010/0108/Switching-off-the-death-penalty
 
Mojo said:
That's not the point. Most civilized nations stopped executions a while ago.

"The nation has been pulling back from sanctioned killing as a punishment for heinous crimes. In 2009, 106 people were handed death sentences – a record low since 1976, when the US Supreme Court upheld capital punishment.

Last year, the American Law Institute, which put in place the intellectual underpinnings of the modern capital justice system, abandoned its work in this field. The Supreme Court relied heavily on the institute’s framework when it decided to uphold capital punishment. But the institute has concluded that it’s not possible to ensure “a minimally adequate system for administering” the death penalty. A review for the institute cited many problems, including a lack of fairness."

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-monitors-view/2010/0108/Switching-off-the-death-penalty
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I don't give a shit. I was responding to Damo's comment about their life in prison. I didn't make a comment about the death penalty.
 
cawacko said:
I don't give a shit. I was responding to Damo's comment about their life in prison. I didn't make a comment about the death penalty.
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Pardon me. I thought this forum was for public debate and commentary. I didn't realize you were using it for private communications.
 
cawacko said:
You watch some of those gangland shows on the History Channel and some of these dudes have serious power and are still calling the shots on the outside from inside their jail cell so it's not like they are just rotting in prison.
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Hence you create a different form of life in prison for these cases. Anyway, most serial killers are not "gangs" and they control nothing. You think Dahmer enjoyed being beaten to death while in genpop or would he have preferred the protection of those facing the death penalty?
 
Mojo said:
Pardon me. I thought this forum was for public debate and commentary. I didn't realize you were using it for private communications.
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No idiot it wasn't a private conversation but you responded to something I said nothing about.
 
Mojo said:
Perhaps you might put your bloodlust on hold for just a moment and consider the following:

"Practical considerations are moving states – and juries – away from capital punishment. A big factor is cost, driven up by the lengthy appeals process and the expense of investigation and litigation when a life is at stake. Kansas estimates, for example, that the median cost of a death penalty case is 70 percent higher than for a murder case where the death penalty is not given.

And thats the bullshit you've been sold without question....if the cost is from lengthy appeals, then do away with lengthy appeals...
Investigation and litigation? Why would it cost more for investigating and trying the case no matter what crime or penalty...Does the truth cost more for a murder case than a robbery? Bullshit.

Juries are also more cautious about mistaken convictions (139 people sentenced to death have been exonerated since 1973). The Supreme Court, too, has narrowed the field of those who may be executed, eliminating juveniles and those diagnosed as mentally retarded. And the death penalty is not an effective deterrent against crime.

Juries being more cautious is better than being indifferent, no matter what the hell the case of penalty is about....thats a good thing.
Eliminating juveniles and retarded is irrelevant....
A deterrent? More bullshit...it deters me,...how about you.
and certainly prevents any chance of more killing, whether it be in prison or out of prison...

But the moral argument against capital punishment should not be forgotten. A government’s job is to preserve life, not compound a terrible wrong by taking another life. A death sentence cuts off the opportunity for redemption and leans on an outdated concept of justice based on revenge.


The governments job is not to preserve life...ie abortion....war...etc.
The governments job is to protect its citizens from harm by enemies from within and without...

The practical concerns spurring the anti-death-penalty trend are important, but circumstances can change. The moral imperative does not."

Morality is a personal value...not yours to dictate to others....

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-monitors-view/2010/0108/Switching-off-the-death-penalty
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bravo said:
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This isn't the first time I've been glad your viewpoint is shared by so few, and it probably won't be the last.

"Public confidence in the death penalty has been shaken by the use of DNA evidence to prove that innocent defendants can indeed be sentenced to death. Of the 261 inmates exonerated by DNA evidence unearthed by The Innocence Project, 17 had been sent to death row.

These cases in turn make other claims of innocence more credible. In Texas, former death row inmate Anthony Graves was freed earlier this year after 16 years in prison. A special prosecutor declared that "not one piece of credible evidence" connected Graves to the crime. Nationwide, according to DPIC, the number of death-sentenced prisoners who have been exonerated is now 138.

More disturbingly, strong evidence now exists that even with all its safeguards, the American death penalty system can fail at the most fundamental level — leading to the execution of at least one innocent man. Cameron Willingham was put to death in Texas in 2004 for the murder of his three children in a house fire. A state commission on forensic science acknowledged this year that investigators had no scientific basis for accusing Willingham of arson."



http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2039273,00.html#ixzz18lpMRRhE
 
I just posted a short list....very short...
of 7 killers that were responsible for at least 235 murders, mostly that number is higher.....
There is no good reason .....absolutely no reason to continue to keep these killers alive at taxpayer expense....and their never was a good reason....

235+ people are dead while these guys listen to Christmas music at our expense today....at least the ones that are still with us....
 
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