Is the Trump Cult paranoid?

You fucking dickheads did nothing but hate trump for 4 years and now you want to rape America. Fuck you

Nothing but for 4 years? Can you survive without hyperbole? I thought Trump would be a terrible choice for president as he had a lifetime of drifting and breaking laws. But I harbored the idea that that the government had enough safeguards to stop a president from destroying too much. When he came in, he brought in people with intelligence and skill. I did not believe they were good choices. but they were smart enough to not cause too much damage. But Daffy broomed them all and replaced them with real crazies who had Trump's prime requirement..blind loyalty.
I have not had a scintilla of respect for Trump in 50 years. He has always been an attention-hungry immature grifter. This is not about the last 4 years.,
 
So pee week hermanish of you...

Why not just say "I know you are but what am I"...........

Okay...

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Your straw man is lame. Not one thing you said represents what I said. Sorry that doesn’t work on me. Never suggested that you are for me or against me. Nor did I classify a lawful gun owner as a Trumptars. I expressed my position. Agree, don’t agree I don’t give a fuck. Suggesting that makes me a liar? Yawn. Do better.

Disagreed. Your words were clear in the OP. Are you backing down now? Or do you need to clarify your opinions on authoritarianism, unity and what it means to work together?

When President Biden says "unity", what does that mean to you?
 
Hello Nordberg,

1-6 was close to ending it all. The existence of America was under threat The revolutionaries would have killed the politicians. I do not wave that away and say let's be friends. They have to be remorseful first and then pay for the crimes of the day. It was close to ending the stability that lasted for almost 200 years. The rightys think America is such a disaster that it should end and we should perhaps be like Iraq.

No, that is not accurate. I agree with everything except who was responsible.

It was not ' The rightys .'

It was a few extremists on the right. Not the entire right.

It is important to make the distinction. Most on the right were not in support of a violent 1-6. We have to remember there were a lot more people at that rally who were peaceful than the ones who were violent.

First of all, most of the people who marched over to the capitol did not go inside when the violence began. They thought they were going to simply be a crowd of protestors outside, letting the politicians on the inside know that they supported finding some way to legally stop the process. Those people who remained outside had no intention of breaking and entering or ransacking the capitol.

Some got swept up in the moment. They had no purpose, no reason to go inside, but when others began going inside they went along; not with destruction on their minds, simply a desire to somehow stop what was going on inside simply by peacefully interrupting the process. They had no intent to hurt anybody or damage anything.

The few who planned and plotted to do ill will were the instigators who urged the rest of the crowd on. Those people are not the entire right. Those people are the ones who must answer for their serious crimes.

Those who went along and had no violent intent are already VERY remorseful.

The violent ones are being rounded up.

The authorities are in the process of seeing that those who must pay for their crimes are doing exactly that.

Yes, there are people on the right who stood behind this movement and bought into the con. Now, they are rethinking whether they were ready to destroy the USA or if they simply wanted to steer it in a different direction. They are torn between thinking of themselves as loyal Americans and supporting anarchists who wanted to tear our country apart. They wanted to make America great again. They didn't want to destroy America.

Do we want to welcome them back to America, the land of law and order (that they thought they were supporting in Trump,) or do we want to drive them into the hands of more violent instigators?

Right now, when they are rethinking what they stand for, now is not the time to push those people away. Now is the time to say to them we are all America, not drive people away, further dividing the nation. We all want America to be great; we simply have different ideas about how to do that. Americans need to stand together to figure out how to do that. We need to reacquaint ourselves with what's important for ALL Americans. Unity. That is the one thing that makes functional progress possible and without it, we are stuck. We have to remember what we all have in common, stop taking that for granted. 1-6 showed us we can lose that. 1-6 was a wake up call.
 
Disagreed. Your words were clear in the OP. Are you backing down now? Or do you need to clarify your opinions on authoritarianism, unity and what it means to work together?

When President Biden says "unity", what does that mean to you?

It’s called hyperbole and you of all people should recognize that. I have zero interest, none, in unifying with someone that thinks I drink the blood of small children, or who believes the election was stolen by black people. Why would I. Those people are not interested in a policy debate. They want a culture war and the entire point of this thread is to say ‘bring it because you are losing.’ You asked for a more nuanced answer, I gave it to you and you went for the cheap liar ad hom. It is what it is but I’m way past playing the gotcha game with you.
 
It’s called hyperbole and you of all people should recognize that. I have zero interest, none, in unifying with someone that thinks I drink the blood of small children, or who believes the election was stolen by black people. Why would I. Those people are not interested in a policy debate. They want a culture war and the entire point of this thread is to say ‘bring it because you are losing.’ You asked for a more nuanced answer, I gave it to you and you went for the cheap liar ad hom. It is what it is but I’m way past playing the gotcha game with you.

And I have zero interest in trusting a person who believes Authoritarianism, be it Left or Right, should be imposed on 328 Million Americans.
 
And I have zero interest in trusting a person who believes Authoritarianism, be it Left or Right, should be imposed on 328 Million Americans.

Lol see what I mean about hyberbole? If you think a semiautomatic weapons ban and locking up traitors is authoritarian then you don’t know what that word means. I’ll leave it at that.
 
It's been said that you aren't paranoid if they really are out to get you. So no, Trumptards, you aren't paranoid:

- We're coming for your guns. Yep, we are. If we have our way, no more high capacity magazines, no more semi-automatic rifles, and no more gun show loopholes.
- We're coming for your conspiracy theories. If you post conspiratorial bullshit that jeopardizes people, we will deplatform you. We are going shut you down.
- We're coming for you. If you are a traitor who participates in sedition against the United States, we will find you, we will arrest you, and we will throw your asses in jail.
- We're coming for your hate speech. We're going to deplatform that crap too.
- We're going to make you get the vaccine and wear a mask. If you want to participate in society, you'll do both. Otherwise, no soup for you. No travel, no sporting events, no movies, no amusement parks. Put on your fucking mask, and get your vaccine. Otherwise, you get to do nothing.

There is more, but you get the idea. Until you own your behavior and ask forgiveness you are dead to us.

You spent four years shitting on the country and laughing it up. Times up.

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All of the above is why -- when we let the willfully-ignorant, the bigots, and the corrupt speak louder than everyone else -- we can't have nice things.
 
Lol see what I mean about hyberbole? If you think a semiautomatic weapons ban and locking up traitors is authoritarian then you don’t know what that word means. I’ll leave it at that.

Yes, it is.

How does my owning a semi-automatic .22 affect you?

Remember this?

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Do you know I can do more damage with the bolt action rifle below than the .22 semi-automatic rifle in the picture above?

Are you proficient with firearms? Were you ever in the military?

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Paranoia and religion have been very effective tools that the right has used to propagate their ideology.

Yep.

Some pundits on the left have tried very hard to get us to see things from the RWers' POV. Apparently the reason there was a Pres. Trump is because a segment of our society -- mostly white, mostly lacking higher education -- are fearful, angry, disenchanted, and feel that they have no voice. They think Trump is that voice.

IMO these pundits are wrong. We are a prosperous nation where -- as the RWers always tell everyone ELSE -- you can achieve personal success. So why does the Right sing the song of "everyone can grow up to be ___ if they just work hard enough," yet somehow they're angry and disenchanted and worried about the future? There's no rational reason to believe that. But that's what Fox, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and Trump tell them. Be afraid, we have many enemies, the deep state is holding you down, etc.

They are the willing and maybe not-so-willing victims of propaganda.
 
Yes, it is.

How does my owning a semi-automatic .22 affect you?

Remember this?

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Do you know I can do more damage with the bolt action rifle below than the .22 semi-automatic rifle in the picture above?

Are you proficient with firearms? Were you ever in the military?

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We’ll agree to disagree about what constitutes authoritarianism. Lots of countries ban all guns and I don’t think I consider Japan, Australia, or Great Britain to be authoritarian but suit yourself.
 
No, that is not accurate. I agree with everything except who was responsible.

It was not ' The rightys .'

It was a few extremists on the right. Not the entire right.

It is important to make the distinction. Most on the right were not in support of a violent 1-6. We have to remember there were a lot more people at that rally who were peaceful than the ones who were violent.

I disagree. Many (R)s and their supporters believed that the election was stolen, fraudulent, and that #TRE45ON is the rightful POTUS. A good number of them *still* believe this. Some paid lip service: "Those people shouldn't have done that," while *still* supporting the idea of a stolen election. These are supporters of sedition and insurrection whether they were present or not.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ed-by-trumps-false-fraud-claims-idUSKBN2A41CP

"The survey of 24,000 Americans was conducted online throughout November, after almost every state had certified its results and Biden had surpassed the required number of Electoral College votes. Nearly 40 percent of Republicans voters said they believe Trump won a second term, while another 23 percent said they weren’t sure of the winner." (source: https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/...e-biden-or-donald-trump-depends-whom-you-ask/ )

How on Earth can anyone have "unity" with people who believe this crap? We cannot. I'm standing with the OP on this one.
 
We’ll agree to disagree about what constitutes authoritarianism. Lots of countries ban all guns and I don’t think I consider Japan, Australia, or Great Britain to be authoritarian but suit yourself.

You believe Nanny Statism isn't authoritarianism, I believe Federal laws banning people from doing things that are not harming others is authoritarianism.

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Should I post the after picture of a woman with half of her head blown off by an authoritarian, gun banning government?
 
You believe Nanny Statism isn't authoritarianism, I believe Federal laws banning people from doing things that are not harming others is authoritarianism.

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Should I post the after picture of a woman with half of her head blown off by an authoritarian, gun banning government?

We have neither the same definition of authoritarian nor do we share an opinion about the harm of semiautomatic weapons so we’re done here. You just utterly failed the logic test demonstrating that your argument holds no water. China is not authoritarian by virtue of the fact that it bans guns. You’re resorting to lame arguments and rhetoric now. Yes show me more pictures of people with their heads blown off because it makes your argument SO strong. Lol at you. Maybe I can find some pictures of first graders with their bodies torn apart. You think that’s critical thinking? Come on man.
 
We have neither the same definition of authoritarian nor do we share an opinion about the harm of semiautomatic weapons so we’re done here. You just utterly failed the logic test demonstrating that your argument holds no water. China is not authoritarian by virtue of the fact that it bans guns. You’re resorting to lame arguments and rhetoric now. Yes show me more pictures of people with their heads blown off because it makes your argument SO strong. Lol at you. Maybe I can find some pictures of first graders with their bodies torn apart. You think that’s critical thinking? Come on man.

Then keep trying to stamp out rights of Americans by imposing your views on them and see what happens.

It's been said that you aren't paranoid if they really are out to get you. So no, Trumptards, you aren't paranoid:

- We're coming for your guns. Yep, we are. If we have our way, no more high capacity magazines, no more semi-automatic rifles, and no more gun show loopholes.
- We're coming for your conspiracy theories. If you post conspiratorial bullshit that jeopardizes people, we will deplatform you. We are going shut you down.
- We're coming for you. If you are a traitor who participates in sedition against the United States, we will find you, we will arrest you, and we will throw your asses in jail.
- We're coming for your hate speech. We're going to deplatform that crap too.
- We're going to make you get the vaccine and wear a mask. If you want to participate in society, you'll do both. Otherwise, no soup for you. No travel, no sporting events, no movies, no amusement parks. Put on your fucking mask, and get your vaccine. Otherwise, you get to do nothing.

There is more, but you get the idea. Until you own your behavior and ask forgiveness you are dead to us.

You spent four years shitting on the country and laughing it up. Times up.
 
Yep.

Some pundits on the left have tried very hard to get us to see things from the RWers' POV. Apparently the reason there was a Pres. Trump is because a segment of our society -- mostly white, mostly lacking higher education -- are fearful, angry, disenchanted, and feel that they have no voice. They think Trump is that voice.

IMO these pundits are wrong. We are a prosperous nation where -- as the RWers always tell everyone ELSE -- you can achieve personal success. So why does the Right sing the song of "everyone can grow up to be ___ if they just work hard enough," yet somehow they're angry and disenchanted and worried about the future? There's no rational reason to believe that. But that's what Fox, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and Trump tell them. Be afraid, we have many enemies, the deep state is holding you down, etc.

They are the willing and maybe not-so-willing victims of propaganda.

That's well put.
 
Hello ThatOwlWoman,

I disagree. Many (R)s and their supporters believed that the election was stolen, fraudulent, and that #TRE45ON is the rightful POTUS. A good number of them *still* believe this. Some paid lip service: "Those people shouldn't have done that," while *still* supporting the idea of a stolen election. These are supporters of sedition and insurrection whether they were present or not.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ed-by-trumps-false-fraud-claims-idUSKBN2A41CP

"The survey of 24,000 Americans was conducted online throughout November, after almost every state had certified its results and Biden had surpassed the required number of Electoral College votes. Nearly 40 percent of Republicans voters said they believe Trump won a second term, while another 23 percent said they weren’t sure of the winner." (source: https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/...e-biden-or-donald-trump-depends-whom-you-ask/ )

How on Earth can anyone have "unity" with people who believe this crap? We cannot. I'm standing with the OP on this one.

Sure, they say they believe the election was stolen but they do not support an insurrection over it. If they did we'd have seen a far bigger and more coordinated attempt than that pathetic ransacking of the capitol. That whole thing was just an angry mob which included a few extremist kooks that got out of control. Some had the intent to do ill will but most did not. There were not enough of them to make a serious and effective coup attempt. In the end, the extremists had their hey day, everybody else was shocked and abhorred, they didn't affect our government process, merely delayed it, and now it's over a lot of people are feeling quite embarrassed that they supported the lead-up. They are leaving Fox news and the Republican party in droves. Interestingly enough, half of them because what happened was too much for them, and others because it wasn't enough!
 
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