Is the West Becoming Pagan Again?

BidenPresident said:
Jesus was a human sacrifice.
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That you realize that and still posted this OP. :palm:

And then call The Father "vulgar" as if you have a right to. :nono:

You can, he gives you the free will to do that, but why would you do that when he sacrificed his son for you? That does not make sense to me.

It ain't my business, and that's just my opinion. :dunno:
 
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Dutch Uncle said:
The fact you answer a question with question is interesting. I do it out of curiosity. Normal people are, frankly, pretty fucking boring at times. Nice. Safe. Boring.

It's fucking wackadoodles like you that are more exciting. Are you dangerous? Will you be the next crazed maniac looking for his 15 minutes of fame or will you get help? No one knows, not even you. Isn't that a lot more exciting than me writing about my tomato plans in the spring?
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Yelp yelp yelp, lol
 
Matt Dillon said:
Sounds like you're the dog in the pack that yelped after getting hit by a rock.
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You're acting catty. Sorry if I hurt your feelings earlier. I just like to follow Ben Franklin's advice about honesty...plus as Mark Twain pointed out, my lazy nature doesn't allow me to lie since it takes too much work.

Good luck with your hatred of others. :thup:
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Someone here explained its origins as coming from the Latin for "pagus," of the countryside. In other words, city Romans looked down on those who lived out in the boonies, and called them pagans. Sound familiar?

Xtians used to use the word "heathen" with equal disgust.
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I wonder if the City Romans viewed the Christians as 'Pagans' as they threw them to the lions?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
You're acting catty. Sorry if I hurt your feelings earlier. I just like to follow Ben Franklin's advice about honesty...plus as Mark Twain pointed out, my lazy nature doesn't allow me to lie since it takes too much work.

Good luck with your hatred of others. :thup:
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That is a great quote.
 
Cypress said:
My two cents is that all of us are products of history and geography. History lies deep within us, even if we don't conciuosly realize it.

North America and Europe is the offspring of 2,000 years of culture which germinated in the ethical, cultural, and social traditions of the Abrahamistic faiths.

Naturally, it has been seasoned at the margins with a little eastern and south Asian thought, particularly as we incorporate more immigrants.

But, in this country, whether one is Christian or not, the vast majority of citizens have either directly or indirectly been influenced by the Judeo-Christian culture, ethics, and history this society has been stewing in for two thousand years. Even if only in the most oblique way.

I do not see us reverting to the values, ethics, or culture of Greco-Roman civilization, Aztec civilization, or archaic Celtic civilization.
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Our culture now is dominated by this right here.
Social media, especially the younger generation that has grown up with it!
It's truly becoming a worldwide cultural situation, we can't fully understand what it is doing to us,as it's still evolving fast!
 
BidenPresident said:
This year, at the height of what used to be called the Christmas season, a Pew Research Center poll on religion revealed that only slightly more Americans described themselves as Roman Catholics (21 percent) than as believers in “nothing in particular” (20 percent). The millennial generation, which includes most adult Americans under 40, is the first one in which Christians are a minority.

Ms. Delsol is quite clear that what is ending is not the Christian faith, with its rites and dogmas, but only Christian culture — the way Christian societies are governed and the art, philosophy and lore that have arisen under Christianity’s influence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/29/opinion/christianity-paganism-woke.html
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YOU ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION: " Ms. Delsol is quite clear that what is ending is not the Christian faith, with its rites and dogmas, but only Christian culture — the way Christian societies are governed and the art, philosophy and lore that have arisen under Christianity’s influence."

So...NO.
 
Mr Apollyon said:
Our culture now is dominated by this right here.
Social media, especially the younger generation that has grown up with it!
It's truly becoming a worldwide cultural situation, we can't fully understand what it is doing to us,as it's still evolving fast!
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True, and there is a lot of evidence that it is very bad for us. That has been perhaps the biggest failure of technical society....that we do what is possible and what is profitable, that we give almost no mind to what is good for us. I split with Bret and Heather here, who believe that the problem is too much change too fast, it is the rate of change that is the major problem. No, it is that we far too often do what we should not do, which is a little bit different.
 
Jack said:
Here's a 'God'. Minerva, Goddess of Knowledge. At the Library of Congress.


"Library of Congress Minerva Mosaic in the Great Hall of the Thomas Jefferson Building, Washington, D.C. digital file from original"
https://www.loc.gov/resource/highsm.12512/
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precisely consistent with what I wrote.

Our intellectual heritage is from antiquity.


We learned logic and reason from Aristotle and Plato.

We learned history from Herodotus and Thucydides.

We learned math from Euclid and Archimedes.

We learned geography from Ptolemy.

We learned drama and poetry from Sophocles and Homer.

We learned law and architecture from the Romans.


Our day to day social norms ethics, and cultural values comes in substantial extent either directly or indirectly from the West's two thousand year engagement with Judeo-Christianty.
 
Cypress said:
No, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice, slavery, and heroism in battle are no longer widely accepted social and cultural values.

The west does owe a debt to Greek philosophy, drama, math, and political theory.
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Forms of that do still exist, only not in that way.
Now it's more like culture chews you up a spits you out.
 
Mr Apollyon said:
That's there interpretation, Owl has more of how Pagan is defined traditionally.
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Only if you're confusing celts etc. as pagans.

Actually refers to golden goat worshippers from hebrew days and never honestly had much to do with celts, norse etc.

But ya, she is in fact a dumbshit that calls herself pagan. Knew this slag from way back on Mike Malloy forums.

Same old stupid slag as ever.
 
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BidenPresident said:
Jesus was a human sacrifice.
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Yes. The belief is that he, an immortal being, was placed in a human body, tortured and mortally executed to arise again because...wait for it...he was fucking immortal. Not exactly a high mark of "Risk" in my person assessment of risks.

High risk are things like Evil Knievel was known for. An immortal being returning to immortality is low risk, IMO.

OTOH, humans are naked apes and they really, really like fire and human sacrifice. This is seen in our brutality to our fellow man in most social circumstances.
 
Pagan.
Something else.
In the end, the only thing that matters is being classy.

Here in the USA, we have a serious problem with that.
I imagine that the rest of the world has its high spots and low spots.
 
Jack said:
So ... you think drinking the blood and eating the flesh of God is 'Pagan'?
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That's the very definition of Christianity!
The battle between denominations is ,is it symbolic that you're eating and drinking the Passover Lamb and his blood.Or does the food and drink literally become the Passover Lamb's body and blood when the food and drink is blessed before eating. In this context the Passover Lamb is the Last Super the body and blood of Jesus.
 
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