Is Trump honest? Does it matter?

aloysious said:
No. When he lies about how many showed up for his inauguration, e.g., no. If he lies about, say, blacks having the lowest unemployment in history (don't know or care if that's true), also a no. What else?
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So if he lies about him personally keeping a plant open, that's okay? IF he lies about how many jobs he's created, that's okay? If he lies about having affairs, that's okay? If he lies about grabbing women-not-his-wife, that's okay? If he lies about divesting himself of his business interests while president, that's okay? If he lies about conversations with people he never spoke with, that's okay?

In other words, you're fine with him lying.... until you finally figure out that he's been lying to you all along.
 
christiefan915 said:
Is she?
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That's what I asked you, doyenne of dodging, deflection, and disingenuity.

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Is Hillary a proven liar?

Answer, Christiecrite.
 
archives said:
Apparently lying doesn't mean anything to a lot of people over on the right, and it was only a year ago they echoed endlessly, "Obama lied," and now they are happy with one setting marathon records for fabricating

Guess conservative morals and principles depend upon who is occupying the White House
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Yep. Remember that one class-less jerk who stood up and yelled "You lie!" in the middle of the SOTU address? He was their hero.
 
aloysious said:
I know that. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump saw that and thought it for celebrations in New Jersey. Or Trump was just outright lying.
I'm not apologizing for Trump. He's either really stupid or a mad genius, can't figure out which one.
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And this is okay with you?
 
Guest said:
Quit stalling. You can hardly pile on Trump and his defenders when you're guilty of prevaricating yourself.

Answer, Christiecrite.

Is Hillary Clinton a proven liar?
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You know as well as I that Hillary's lies are a fraction of trump's. And I don't recall defending any of them, either.

Stop calling me Christiecrite.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
So if he lies about him personally keeping a plant open, that's okay? IF he lies about how many jobs he's created, that's okay? If he lies about having affairs, that's okay? If he lies about grabbing women-not-his-wife, that's okay? If he lies about divesting himself of his business interests while president, that's okay? If he lies about conversations with people he never spoke with, that's okay?
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Most of that is OK with me. His business interests are so diverse and far flung I'm not sure how he can totally divest himself of them.
ThatOwlWoman said:
In other words, you're fine with him lying.... until you finally figure out that he's been lying to you all along.
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Actually, no. It bugs the hell out of me as does his stupid tweeting. I hate his personality, I think he's a horse's ass. But he's trying to some good things, mainly undo some of Obama's mischief, who, IMO, tried to do real harm to the country and real harm to honest hard working people, especially the self employed.
 
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