Isn't it ironic?

Above is a classic example of "pinhead leapfrog logic." Notice, the first pinhead sets up the false illusion that I have articulated a fascist socialist idea, and the second pinhead leapfrogs the first, indicating that I have advocated something off the charts and ridiculous. Truly amazing to watch them in their natural habitat like this!

Remember, we once had this system in place, and people didn't die of starvation. They got their asses to the commodity truck if they wanted groceries, and if they missed it, their families and neighbors would help them out until next month. No big deal. And for what we are currently paying to implement a Food Stamp program, we could afford to send the commodity trucks once a week! Hell, better yet, for the BILLIONS we are spending, we could probably deliver the commodities by Fed-Ex cheaper! The point is, there is a BETTER way to help those who are truly in need, and it's not the way we are doing it now.



Absolute horseshit!

Yes we did have this system in place at one time and YES...PEOPLE DID DIE!

Oh but look at this now...NOW Dix is backpedaling from his "once a month food drop" plan...even his limited intellect is beginning to realize just how stupid his plan sounds.

But then, these patently insane "ideas" only serve to highlight just how out of touch the Right is with the common man and the needs of the unemployed.
 
Absolute horseshit!

Yes we did have this system in place at one time and YES...PEOPLE DID DIE!

Oh but look at this now...NOW Dix is backpedaling from his "once a month food drop" plan...even his limited intellect is beginning to realize just how stupid his plan sounds.

But then, these patently insane "ideas" only serve to highlight just how out of touch the Right is with the common man and the needs of the unemployed.

Yes we did have this system, and NO people didn't' die. Ironically, we were sold the Food Stamp program on the basis that it would SAVE MONEY over the years!

I am not backpedaling on anything you moron dipshit, perhaps you should go look up the definition of "backpedal?" I merely made the VALID point, that if once a month is a little too "extreme" for you, we could afford once a week and still save BILLIONS over the current system! That's no backpedal, I still believe we should have commodity trucks and I am still perfectly FINE with them coming once a MONTH! You've not articulated ANY valid reason why they would need to run more often, or why this system wouldn't work.

Now, I want everyone to notice what happened and what transpired as a result. I made a suggestion of once-a-month commodity trucks, liberals whined it wasn't often enough, so I modified my suggestion.... THEN IT WAS PLAYED AS IF I HAD BACKPEDALED! This is the Liberal template, the Liberal game plan... get them to budge on anything, just a little bit, then portray them as people with no backbone or principle! Yeah, that's a really good way for us to get to bipartisanship, isn't it? Do you SEE why we can't work with these people? Do you SEE why they have to be thoroughly and convincingly TROUNCED in November? Unless the Conservatives beat the living dog shit out of the Liberals, THIS is an example of the kind of cocky, condescending SHIT we'll have to deal with from them.
 
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Did fewer people need food aid before Bush's tax cuts?

Where are the jobs?
 
My guy? Who's that?

Obama needs more time to repair the damage Bush's 8 years of wild spending and tax cuts for the rich did.
 
Above is a classic example of "pinhead leapfrog logic." Notice, the first pinhead sets up the false illusion that I have articulated a fascist socialist idea, and the second pinhead leapfrogs the first, indicating that I have advocated something off the charts and ridiculous. Truly amazing to watch them in their natural habitat like this!

Remember, we once had this system in place, and people didn't die of starvation. They got their asses to the commodity truck if they wanted groceries, and if they missed it, their families and neighbors would help them out until next month. No big deal. And for what we are currently paying to implement a Food Stamp program, we could afford to send the commodity trucks once a week! Hell, better yet, for the BILLIONS we are spending, we could probably deliver the commodities by Fed-Ex cheaper! The point is, there is a BETTER way to help those who are truly in need, and it's not the way we are doing it now.

Dixie, I don't know what this program was, you have not named it, and I can't find out any records of anything close to what you're talking about on the internet:

https://www.google.com/search?num=2...re+"commodity+truck"&spell=1&biw=1525&bih=741

For all I know, you might be making this whole thing up. The first large scale food aid efforts by the department of agriculture was the food stamp program. Back in the good old days, though, they were still practicing things such as paying farmers not to farm land, and buying up crops and throwing them away. So you may have encountered a part of the DoA that felt like being less of a dick one day and handing out the food rather than throwing it out.

What I do know is that such a program could never be efficient on a large scale. There is a reason that nobody ever uses it for large scale distribution besides in emergencies. For one thing, no matter what you'd still have to maintain large warehouses to store all of the food you were going to distribute. This would be less efficient, it would cost more. You don't have any clue what you're talking about. Grocery stores already have a pretty decent supply chain set up, and they can deliver food to customers far more cheaply than the government could ever hope to. That's why, instead of the government running the program directly, it basically contracts it out to private business.

Surprisingly enough, feeding 40 million people is expensive. If the government can't even keep track of who owns the SS numbers it issues, it's got far larger problems than the food stamp program. Since literal food stamps are no longer even used, having long been phased out with food cards, food stamp trading is no longer an issue. And why would people buy ground beef with food stamps when they could buy dog food with their own money and spend the food stamps on food for themselves? They're just going to run out of them if they do that, and have to dip into their own money anyway. I am sure you can come up with hundreds of stupid anecdotal stories about fraud, it's the classic tactic of the right. They go for emotions. I really don't care. Give me some statistics. Then you will have my attention. I am utterly uninterested in your story.
 
ID you can always tell when you've made a brilliant point with a Liberal, can't you? They just don't know how to respond, so they start acting even stupider than normal and nitpicking the superficial. Well done!

Thanks Dix! My intention was to point out that liberal environmentalists recognize that creatures do best when left to work (feed) themselves. That humans too do better when government (liberals) let people work (feed) themselves. Of course, they, are so dim-witted as to apply this idea only to our present recession safety nets- whereas I was addressing the principle in general. Give a man the tools and teach him to plow- you don't teach him anything by just giving him the harvest.
 
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Dixie, I don't know what this program was, you have not named it, and I can't find out any records of anything close to what you're talking about on the internet:

https://www.google.com/search?num=2...re+"commodity+truck"&spell=1&biw=1525&bih=741

try here: http://www.fns.usda.gov/fdd/programs/csfp/

For all I know, you might be making this whole thing up. The first large scale food aid efforts by the department of agriculture was the food stamp program. Back in the good old days, though, they were still practicing things such as paying farmers not to farm land, and buying up crops and throwing them away. So you may have encountered a part of the DoA that felt like being less of a dick one day and handing out the food rather than throwing it out.

As you can see by the above link, not only was there a program like I described, but true to our over-bloated and redundant gov't, it's actually still in existence!

What I do know is that such a program could never be efficient on a large scale.

But this is not true because such a program existed for many years... still exists, for that matter!

There is a reason that nobody ever uses it for large scale distribution besides in emergencies.

Again.... program still being used to this day.

For one thing, no matter what you'd still have to maintain large warehouses to store all of the food you were going to distribute.

Already doing it! In fact, if we need more space, the government currently has billions of dollars worth of buildings that aren't even occupied. Maintaining a large warehouse is a ridiculously small obstacle for the United States government, wouldn't you agree?

This would be less efficient, it would cost more. You don't have any clue what you're talking about. Grocery stores already have a pretty decent supply chain set up, and they can deliver food to customers far more cheaply than the government could ever hope to. That's why, instead of the government running the program directly, it basically contracts it out to private business.

And that was the argument Liberals made when we adopted the food stamp program!

Surprisingly enough, feeding 40 million people is expensive. If the government can't even keep track of who owns the SS numbers it issues, it's got far larger problems than the food stamp program. Since literal food stamps are no longer even used, having long been phased out with food cards, food stamp trading is no longer an issue. And why would people buy ground beef with food stamps when they could buy dog food with their own money and spend the food stamps on food for themselves?

Surprisingly enough, con artists are not as motivated to show up at 7:30 a.m. for the commodity truck, so there is FAR LESS abuse of the system. And surprisingly enough, an actual government official distributing actual commodities, is far more likely to catch someone with a fake ID.

And why should people spend their beer and smoke money for dog food, when they have food stamps (or card?)


They're just going to run out of them if they do that, and have to dip into their own money anyway.

Still, people do this all the time, I have actually witnessed it happen, that's why I brought it up. Are you seriously trying to argue that people don't abuse food stamps? Seriously???
 
This is where you really piss me off. You are interpreting something incorrectly here, and it needs to be pointed out before you get punched in the mouth. Republicans are NOT OPPOSED TO HELPING PEOPLE! Republicans contest continually and endlessly extending UI benefits, because we have to be realistic. At some point, we have to draw the line and say, sorry... can't do any more UI! We just can't keep paying people not to work, Apple. This is a classic example of how Liberalism clashes with reality and the viewpoint of conservatives. Many moons ago, Republicans and Democrats came together and agreed, we need to have some safety net in place for people who lose their jobs, so we invented unemployment insurance. We talked about it, and decided that 12 weeks was an appropriate amount of time for someone to look for another job and find something reasonably acceptable. Everyone should have been happy! The Liberals got what they wanted, to help people in need, the Republicans capitulated and allowed the program to be established.... but everyone was not happy, were they, Apple? Since then, Liberals have pushed for more and more time... 18 weeks... 24 weeks... 52 weeks... and we are now over 2 years, and pressing for more! When Republicans stand up and say, wait a minute.... they are hooted down by miscreants like you, claiming they don't want to help people!

I understand I piss you off because I expose your lies. I say lies because it can't be a lack of understanding as it's been explained to you multiple times.

You wrote,
Republicans contest continually and endlessly extending UI benefits, because we have to be realistic. At some point, we have to draw the line and say, sorry... can't do any more UI! We just can't keep paying people not to work, Apple.

That is a lie. We can pay people not to work. As I explained to you before there was a time when all work was done by hand. No machinery. One person could not plant and weed and water and harvest a garden big enough to feed a large number of people. It was humanly impossible. Today, with tractors and fertilizer and other machinery/technology one person can look after fields! Fields compared to a small garden.

Take building a house. Chopping one tree at a time with an ax. Dragging it out of the forest with a horse. Compare that to today.

Take families in the 50s and 60s. The mother stayed home. She didn’t feed the chickens, wash clothes by hand, gather fire wood to cook diner….all the things women did 100 years prior. In fact, the necessary jobs a woman/mother had to do decreased to the point they could work outside the home and still be a responsible, capable mother. So, in effect, in the 50s, the majority of men could support another human being (their wife) as well as their children.

Fast forward another 50 years. Considering the advances in technology and automation it’s a lie to say we can’t support the people who are unemployed. It doesn’t even make sense as millions and millions of unemployed people were supported in the 50s and 60s. If there was sufficient food and clothing in the 50s and 60s and technology and automation has greatly increased your assumption is illogical. It’s more than illogical. It’s a deliberate lie. So the only logical conclusion to be drawn is "REPUBLICANS ARE OPPOSED TO HELPING PEOPLE!"

IF there were any way to verify and confirm it, I would love to compare what I do yearly for the needy to what you do. I'd be willing to bet everything I own, that I am more benevolent than you in my personal life. And that's how it often is with Conservatives and Liberals, because while Conservatives believe in rolling up their sleeves and helping others with their individual effort, Liberals believe in stealing the money out of the pockets of others and giving it to someone else....that's how they help! You don't want to have to lift a finger to help anyone, because you know that you won't help anyone, and it makes you think that everyone is as selfish and self-centered, and so you've developed a political philosophy around that.

Here we go, again, with the Conservative benevolence. I’m sure they’re really, really benevolent when it comes to helping their wife and their friend and supporting causes dedicated to restricting other people’s freedoms like abortion and gay marriage. If, as you say, Conservatives give so much more then the logical solution would be to make contributions mandatory for all.

What you have difficulty understanding is the definition of help. It is NOT doing what YOU think is right and/or necessary. It is doing what the person requiring help deems to be right and/or necessary. Stated another way there is fine line between helping and interfering. While charities and other tax-exempt groups with specific mandates are fine they do not address the overall need. That’s why government programs are necessary. A children’s charity is not going to support a shelter for homeless men even if it means a homeless man may freeze to death on the street.

(Excerpt) A phony beard, a fake tattoo and clothes dragged through grass and stained with coffee were all it took to transform former New Jersey Governor Richard Codey into a homeless man looking for shelter on a frigid night this week.

His self-appointed undercover mission to spotlight what he calls discrimination against men by shelters took about three months of planning before Codey stood at the door of the Goodwill Rescue mission in Newark, New Jersey at 8 p.m. on Monday, asking to be let in.

Codey, 65, who is a state senator but disguised himself as a homeless man, had already been denied admission to about 25 other local shelters because he was not receiving welfare or other government assistance, he told Reuters on Wednesday…….

The National Alliance to End Homelessness said more than 636,000 people were homeless in the United States in 2011.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-homeless-undercovertre82623m-20120307,0,7741306.story

Twenty-five shelters refused him admission. Do you donate to shelters for homeless men? How many people do you know who donate to men’s shelters? Well, you can always say you heard of someone because I have done so. :)

Conclusion: Stop the lying. There is no reason anyone should be homeless or hungry in today's society. To say the US can not afford to feed and house and clothe the needy is a lie.

The article also states, "Government statistics show that a vast majority of homeless people suffer mental illness."

Where the hell are the medical services for those people? You, along with other anti-ObamaCare protesters, keep saying medical care is available for the poor. Does having a cardboard box as a bed in a back alley disqualify them as not being poor enough?

You're pissed off because you've been exposed as a typical selfish, greedy, lying Repub/Con. You accuse those who want to help others as being Socialist tyrants when they try to implement programs that will prevent people from freezing to death on the street. You oppose ObamaCare while 45,000 people die every year due to a lack of medical insurance. You claim you're pro-life while your posts show you're pro-death. You lie while others die.

You have good reason to be pissed off, at yourself!
 
Thanks Dix! My intention was to point out that liberal environmentalists recognize that creatures do best when left to work (feed) themselves. That humans too do better when government (liberals) let people work (feed) themselves. Of course, they, are so dim-witted as to apply this idea only to our present recession safety nets- whereas I was addressing the principle in general. Give a man the tools and teach him to plow- you don't teach him anything by just giving him the harvest.

Yea, right. When travelling to foreign countries that have a limited, if any, social safety net visitors are advised to stay near the resort. People, when treated like animals, will act like animals.
 
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