Israel to close its embassy in Dublin due to Ireland’s ‘extreme anti-Israel policy’
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moon
Satire for Sanity
Now you are spouting nonsense. ' Non-binding recognition ' ? You are developing troll-like responses.
You also underestimate the power of the UNGA.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
Of course it would appear as nonsense to anyone who isn't familiar with how the UN operates.
Correct. I'll leave that homework to the student to find out what "non-binding" means, but no member State is bound/obligated to recognize Palestine in any way.
... but I will never be guilty of overestimating them. Enjoy!
moon
Satire for Sanity
Hey- tell the class what your ' Binding recognition of statehood ' means - and provide an example of a Chapter 7 Security Council resolution.
I shall insist. Fudge will not suffice.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
Class,
A "Binding Recognition of Statehood" is comprised of the following:
Sovereignty: A state must have a defined territory, a permanent population, a government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other states.
Effective Control: The government seeking recognition must exercise effective control over its territory and population.
International Law: Recognition decisions are often influenced by principles of international law, including respect for territorial integrity and non-interference in internal affairs.
Political Considerations: Diplomatic recognition can be influenced by political, strategic, and economic interests of the recognizing state.
UN Membership: While the UN itself doesn't grant recognition, membership in the UN can lend legitimacy and encourage other states to recognize a new state.
An example of this was South Sudan's admission in July of 2011.
You just pivoted. This has nothing to do with recognizing Palestine but in punishing Israel. Those are two separate and distinct concepts.
You just fudged. Get your requests straight.
moon
Satire for Sanity
You've failed to provide an example of a UN Resolution which provides any ' Binding ' recognition of statehood. You're a side-stepping fraud. Your claim was nonsense from the outset.
Again- Palestine is a sovereign state recognized by the UN and 146 countries. If Palestine did NOT meet the requirements of statehood then the UN would not have recognized it.
There will never be a ' Greater Israel '. Palestine will never be legally annexed. The occupation is illegal. Israel is committing genocide and other war crimes. There are ICC arrest warrants out for the Zionist leadership.
Your fudging is rejected.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
Incorrect, I presented the admission of South Sudan. Did you miss it?
If you'll recall, you are the one who pivoted to a Section 7 requirement which has nothing to do with UN recognition.
You are confused. You stammer demands to gibberish questions. You should read up on the topic a little more before you post.
Again - no, Palestine is not a sovereign state recognized by the UN. The Palestine nation fails the sovereignty and effective control requirements to be recognized as a State. I hope that helps.
Correct. Since Palestine does not meet the requirements, the UN Security Council has not, and will not, recognize Palestine as a State.
I'll trust your crystal ball on this one.
Correct. Only States can be annexed, and Palestine is just a nation.
You could have just stated this first and dispensed with all the erroneous propaganda.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Fudge ^
I'm pleased that the truth regarding Palestinian statehood has caused you to fudge so enthusiastically.
Your problem with attempting to disguise fudge as fact is that fudge has such a distinctive aroma.
Again, Palestine is a UN - recognized state. The Palestinian flag flies at the UN alongside all other states, despite your further , boring, denials.
press.un.org
Although the United States of AIPAC are able to block full Palestinian membership at the Security Council by way of the veto, that veto may be overridden by the General Assembly for the purposes of the prevention of war. I tell you this for free as I will enjoy your forthcoming fudge regarding your belief that any SC veto is all-powerful. Pride comes before a fall.
I'm pleased that the truth regarding Palestinian statehood has caused you to fudge so enthusiastically.
Your problem with attempting to disguise fudge as fact is that fudge has such a distinctive aroma.
Again, Palestine is a UN - recognized state. The Palestinian flag flies at the UN alongside all other states, despite your further , boring, denials.
General Assembly Votes Overwhelmingly to Accord Palestine ‘Non-Member Observer State’ Status in United Nations | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases
Voting by an overwhelming majority — 138 in favour to 9 against (Canada, Czech Republic, Israel, Marshall Islands, Micronesia (Federated States of), Nauru, Panama, Palau, United States), with 41 abstentions — the General Assembly today accorded Palestine non-Member Observer State status in the...
Although the United States of AIPAC are able to block full Palestinian membership at the Security Council by way of the veto, that veto may be overridden by the General Assembly for the purposes of the prevention of war. I tell you this for free as I will enjoy your forthcoming fudge regarding your belief that any SC veto is all-powerful. Pride comes before a fall.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Further, with regard to your claim that Palestine is not a state because it does not meet the requirements of statehood.
I found this for you. Feel free to print it out and use it as your fudge wrapper.
www.dimsumdaily.hk
Let's see if you're a masochist. Several other deluded prosemitic members here are you know.
I found this for you. Feel free to print it out and use it as your fudge wrapper.
UN General Assembly resolution recognises Palestinian qualification for membership
This resolution does not confer full UN membership upon the Palestinians; rather, it acknowledges their eligibility for membership.
www.dimsumdaily.hk
Let's see if you're a masochist. Several other deluded prosemitic members here are you know.
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Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
Nope, they surrendered to the Ottoman Empire, and surrendered when they lost ww1. And None of them were alive a millenia ago.
It is Egypt that illegally annexed the Gaza Strip. This is Egypt's mess.
moon
Satire for Sanity
You're right in that Egypt's occupation was not recognized. Neither is Israel's
I don't know why people just cannot accept it. Territory can NEVER be gained by force. It's illegal.
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
The British Mandate was recognized after ww1 when it was still legal and common to take land by military force, years before the Kellogg pact.
Your claim that civilian mothers and children want to remain in the battlefield is absurd and ridiculous.
They value their lives over a piece of dirt.
YOU value the dirt more than you value their lives.
Diogenes
Nemo me impune lacessit
moon
Satire for Sanity
Have a good read of the Kellog-Briand Peace Pact before you fuck off for your genocidal Christmas celebrations. It was ' definitively glossed ' at Nuremberg. It's law. Zionism is crime.
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
Clearly, I know more about the Kellogg Pact than you do. I just destroyed your argument!
You care more about a piece of dirt than civilian lives.
serendipity
Verified User
There is a long tradition of anti-Semitism in Ireland, I've never been to understand that to.be honest!
Irish eyes 'aren't smiling' as far as Israel is concerned
Ireland, unfortunately, is not the only anti-Israel country in the world, though it ranks among the most obnoxious.
Back in the 1930s, Bing Crosby sang “When Irish Eyes Are Smiling,” a musical tribute to the Emerald Isle. Now, however, Irish eyes are no longer smiling as far as Israel is concerned.
During the struggle of the Jews in Palestine against the British mandatory government, Eamon de Valera – one of the leaders of the Irish struggle for independence – was a greatly admired role model. Jews were unaware, however, that de Valera, by then the prime minister of the newly independent Ireland, had in 1945 paid a condolence visit to the embassy of Nazi Germany in Dublin on the death of Adolf Hitler.
Nor did we know, certainly not specifically, that during World War II, some Irish nationalists collaborated with the Nazis or that, in 1938, with the omens of the approaching war becoming daily more visible, Ireland, on the strength of a previous agreement signed under very different circumstances, withheld from Britain the use of three strategically located ports undermining the allies’ ability – after the outbreak of the war – to protect convoys bringing vital supplies of arms and food from America to Britain, against marauding German submarines. One lonely member of Parliament, Winston Churchill, protested, but he was a minority.
All said, the above may or may not have been known to us, but we certainly never imagined that the Irish Free State, as it was known, would one day become one of the most hostile countries to the free State of Israel. On the contrary, we expected that the common struggle against British colonialism would be a unifying factor. This was not to be.
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Irish eyes 'aren't smiling' as far as Israel is concerned
Ireland, unfortunately, is not the only anti-Israel country in the world, though it ranks among the most obnoxious.
Back in the 1930s, Bing Crosby sang “When Irish Eyes Are Smiling,” a musical tribute to the Emerald Isle. Now, however, Irish eyes are no longer smiling as far as Israel is concerned.
During the struggle of the Jews in Palestine against the British mandatory government, Eamon de Valera – one of the leaders of the Irish struggle for independence – was a greatly admired role model. Jews were unaware, however, that de Valera, by then the prime minister of the newly independent Ireland, had in 1945 paid a condolence visit to the embassy of Nazi Germany in Dublin on the death of Adolf Hitler.
Nor did we know, certainly not specifically, that during World War II, some Irish nationalists collaborated with the Nazis or that, in 1938, with the omens of the approaching war becoming daily more visible, Ireland, on the strength of a previous agreement signed under very different circumstances, withheld from Britain the use of three strategically located ports undermining the allies’ ability – after the outbreak of the war – to protect convoys bringing vital supplies of arms and food from America to Britain, against marauding German submarines. One lonely member of Parliament, Winston Churchill, protested, but he was a minority.
All said, the above may or may not have been known to us, but we certainly never imagined that the Irish Free State, as it was known, would one day become one of the most hostile countries to the free State of Israel. On the contrary, we expected that the common struggle against British colonialism would be a unifying factor. This was not to be.
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serendipity
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moon
Satire for Sanity
There's a long tradition of Anglo-hatred in Ireland, you mendacious Brit prick- due to it being occupied by British scum . The Irish sympathize with Palestine for precisely that reason.
Fuck off out of Ireland and fuck off out of Palestine, you wee imperialist maggot,
serendipity
Verified User
You're truly insane and totally delusional, what the fuck is wrong with you?
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