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AProudLefty said:
Fascism and Communism are a form of totalitarianism.
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Since fascism is government manipulation of markets, and communism is government ownership of markets, you are partially correct.

Both fascism and communism are forms of socialism. Socialism is theft of wealth. It can only be implemented by oligarchies and dictatorships.

It is what the Democrats want.
 
Into the Night said:
Since fascism is government manipulation of markets, and communism is government ownership of markets, you are partially correct.

Both fascism and communism are forms of socialism. Socialism is theft of wealth. It can only be implemented by oligarchies and dictatorships.

It is what the Democrats want.
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The Constitution prevents that.
 
AProudLefty said:
Fascism is a form of totalitarianism. See Mussolini's "Doctrine of Fascism.".
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Correct, as are almost all forms of Leftist government. This is pretty much a necessity as a heavy handed government is running the economy and society controlling most or all aspects of it. Thus the need for a dictatorship of some sort. Another common feature is the elimination of all opposition political parties. This too is necessary to keep the dictatorship in power. You can't have some group opposing the dictatorship as there's a damn good chance the dictators will be voted out in short order.

Thus, this becomes why the Democrat party as it becomes increasingly one of the far Left seeks ways to shut out the opposition. One way to do that is rig elections where they can't, or rarely, lose.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Correct, as are almost all forms of Leftist government. This is pretty much a necessity as a heavy handed government is running the economy and society controlling most or all aspects of it. Thus the need for a dictatorship of some sort. Another common feature is the elimination of all opposition political parties. This too is necessary to keep the dictatorship in power. You can't have some group opposing the dictatorship as there's a damn good chance the dictators will be voted out in short order.

Thus, this becomes why the Democrat party as it becomes increasingly one of the far Left seeks ways to shut out the opposition. One way to do that is rig elections where they can't, or rarely, lose.
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So you agree that totalitarianism has nothing to do with the left and right wing policies? Cool beans.
 
AProudLefty said:
So you agree that totalitarianism has nothing to do with the left and right wing policies? Cool beans.
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That is not true. I will clearly state that Leftist policies and politics are totalitarian by their nature and something that Leftists will automatically gravitate to. That is, Leftists given power will form a totalitarian state.

That totalitarian state will then use its power to crush anyone or any group that opposes it. It will gleefully carry out a genocide to further it's remaining in power.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That is not true. I will clearly state that Leftist policies and politics are totalitarian by their nature and something that Leftists will automatically gravitate to. That is, Leftists given power will form a totalitarian state.

That totalitarian state will then use its power to crush anyone or any group that opposes it. It will gleefully carry out a genocide to further it's remaining in power.
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So you won't look at the Rightist policies?
 
AProudLefty said:
So you won't look at the Rightist policies?
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The far Right rarely forms a government. They are too busy hiding in the woods from society, or being lunatic sovereign citizens, or simply beating each other up to get together and actually get involved in organized politics.

Right of Center wants less government. Left of Center wants more government. The far Right wants no government. The far Left wants all government.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The far Right rarely forms a government. They are too busy hiding in the woods from society, or being lunatic sovereign citizens, or simply beating each other up to get together and actually get involved in organized politics.

Right of Center wants less government. Left of Center wants more government. The far Right wants no government. The far Left wants all government.
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So the far right doesn't want theocracy? The far right accepts all races and sexual orientations? They allow opposing religious beliefs? And so much more?

Do you understand why the Constitution was formed? I suspect you don't.

I think you need to wake up to reality.
 
AProudLefty said:
So the far right doesn't want theocracy? The far right accepts all races and sexual orientations? They allow opposing religious beliefs? And so much more?
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The only theocracies that have recently formed are Islamic ones. They too put the economy under central government rule and form things like a welfare state (assuming they can afford one like say, Saudi Arabia and some of the Gulf states).

Do you understand why the Constitution was formed? I suspect you don't.
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Not to form a theocracy. The Constitution was adopted to put government on a short leash and minimize both its size and power on society. That worked pretty well for nearly 175 years, then we elected FDR and the government started to shift Leftwards.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The only theocracies that have recently formed are Islamic ones. They too put the economy under central government rule and form things like a welfare state (assuming they can afford one like say, Saudi Arabia and some of the Gulf states).
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Far right governments. Got it.

Not to form a theocracy. The Constitution was adopted to put government on a short leash and minimize both its size and power on society. That worked pretty well for nearly 175 years, then we elected FDR and the government started to shift Leftwards.
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Correct. So you agree that the Constitution prevents totalitarianism as the Founding Fathers intended.

Glad you are learning.

The education is free of charge.
 
AProudLefty said:
I cannot tell if you are serious or just trying to be funny. But I did chuckle at your post.
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Gardner believes that Hitler was a leftist - because his party was called National Socialist, see? That's why he was granted dictatorial powers by the arch-conservative President Hindenburg and backed by the aristocrat-dominated army. It all fits!
 
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