IT'S A MIRACLE! Kids on school lunch programs come back from the summer well-fed!

[TheDanold]

Good point! Let's just get rid of lunch altogether and make sure these children don't eat a well-balanced meal in the middle of their day. Or, we can keep lunch and make them bring their own food. If your parents forgot to pack it, tough! You can watch the other kids eat as you sit there feeling hungry. Not my problem!

Dave you're not an emotional guy so please see my opening point. All of the students who go away for the summer or weekends are not starving or losing weight (do you remember any?), so clearly the parents will give them food when they HAVE to. They'd just rather take the freebie like a lot of people do.

My stepmother always used to pack me gross sandwiches slopping with butter and macaroni meat. I tried giving away it once, no one wanted it and it ended up in the trash and that was in about as poor a neighborhood as you can find. Lots of fat kids in the school.

 

[Onceler]

I'm curious though. Why should the government be adopting parental roles in our education system? I don't trust this government like you lefties do, and I sure don't like them slowly but surely adopting familial roles in any capacity.

A free & discount lunch program is not a "parental role."

 

[TheDanold]

A free & discount lunch program is not a "parental role."

Yes it is, it's a parents job to provide their kids with food.

 

[uscitizen]

What is "macaroni meat" ?

 

[Onceler]

"Well the facts work against you then. Students grades in school were higher BEFORE the student lunch program."

There goes your problem w/ causality.

Studies of schools that have instituted healthier school lunch programs have shown that not only do grades improve among those involved in the program, but behavior also improves.

It's a no brainer for anyone who understands nutrition. Good food improves attentiveness & retention....

 

[Onceler]

This is just one study; there are tons more:

http://www.rhiosrawenergy.com/articles/art_upgradeschoollunch.html

Also a good one to explain your little "teacher survey" on the spanking thread, DeMano...

 

[Litmus]

"Well the facts work against you then. Students grades in school were higher BEFORE the student lunch program."

There goes your problem w/ causality.

Studies of schools that have instituted healthier school lunch programs have shown that not only do grades improve among those involved in the program, but behavior also improves.

It's a no brainer for anyone who understands nutrition. Good food improves attentiveness & retention....

A healthy family life improves attentiveness. Maybe government should run families.

 

[Onceler]

A healthy family life improves attentiveness. Maybe government should run families.

No; that would be intrusive.

A free/discount lunch program is something that is offered through a school, and doesn't involve government "running" any aspect of anyone's life, whatsoever.

 

[Litmus]

No; that would be intrusive.

A free/discount lunch program is something that is offered through a school, and doesn't involve government "running" any aspect of anyone's life, whatsoever.

Oh THAT"S instrusive. Yet handing out birth control pills and planning abortions without parent knowledge is non-instrusive.

 

[Onceler]

Oh THAT"S instrusive. Yet handing out birth control pills and planning abortions without parent knowledge is non-instrusive.

Did I say that?

I said a free/discount lunch program is non-intrusive.

Why did you feel the need to go and change the topic?

 

[TheDanold]

"Well the facts work against you then. Students grades in school were higher BEFORE the student lunch program."

There goes your problem w/ causality.

Studies of schools that have instituted healthier school lunch programs have shown that not only do grades improve among those involved in the program, but behavior also improves.

It's a no brainer for anyone who understands nutrition. Good food improves attentiveness & retention....

Well private schools yield even better grades with NO school lunch program. You have not yet seen the results of eliminating school lunch programs, parents who then have to pack their kid a lunch will ensure they are not just going to have high amount of sugar foods so they misbehave. And those parents who don't care about that are not going to start caring anymore with government taking over their responsibilities.

Part of what makes a person care and try, is when they feel pride from doing it themselves. Having government be a provider and take that role from them results and HAS resulted in parents that care less overall. Look at inner cities, you may well get better results with more nutritious food, but you got even better results before government was doing this in the first place.

 

[Litmus]

Did I say that?

I said a free/discount lunch program is non-intrusive.

Why did you feel the need to go and change the topic?

I doubt that you are concerned about intervening in families. I think if you had your way you would have parents in and forcefully retrained to be pro-gay, and anti-white.

 

[Onceler]

"Well private schools yield even better grades with NO school lunch program."

No surprise there. Private schools generally have students from higher income families, who can afford better food. The tuitions charged by such schools also allot for a higher quality overall in the lunch program.

We're talking about poor kids, remember?

 

[DigitalDave]

Dave you're not an emotional guy so please see my opening point. All of the students who go away for the summer or weekends are not starving or losing weight (do you remember any?), so clearly the parents will give them food when they HAVE to. They'd just rather take the freebie like a lot of people do.

My stepmother always used to pack me gross sandwiches slopping with butter and macaroni meat. I tried giving away it once, no one wanted it and it ended up in the trash and that was in about as poor a neighborhood as you can find. Lots of fat kids in the school.

.. and here will be my point.

I also grew up in a poor neighborhood. There were many times kids would not have a packed lunch, nor any money to get food from the cafeteria. They would then be a wreck all afternoon, completely irritated, and just watching the clock to leave. There were times it happened to me. Whether or not the parents feed them before and after school, they need at least three meals a day to stay healthy and alert. Poor neighborhoods adopt these completely unhealthy eating patterns and its nice for them to have at least one constant meal for a good portion of the year, no matter how irresponsible the parents are. These are kids, and are completely dependent on other people. Having a program that provides for the poor families one healthy meal for each child going through school isn't too much to ask for. Once again, these are kids, and dependent on everyone around them. Who is to pick up the slack when the parent is irresponsible or lacking the ability to provide that one meal for them?

 

[NOVA]

You only "sort of, kind of" oppose the war, but anyway, I'll bet at least a quarter of the kids getting free lunches are fat.

Probably all have cellphones too...

 

[TheDanold]

.. and here will be my point.

I also grew up in a poor neighborhood. There were many times kids would not have a packed lunch, nor any money to get food from the cafeteria. They would then be a wreck all afternoon, completely irritated, and just watching the clock to leave. There were times it happened to me. Whether or not the parents feed them before and after school, they need at least three meals a day to stay healthy and alert. Poor neighborhoods adopt these completely unhealthy eating patterns and its nice for them to have at least one constant meal for a good portion of the year, no matter how irresponsible the parents are. These are kids, and are completely dependent on other people. Having a program that provides for the poor families one healthy meal for each child going through school isn't too much to ask for. Once again, these are kids, and dependent on everyone around them. Who is to pick up the slack when the parent is irresponsible or lacking the ability to provide that one meal for them?

The thing is that this all started out by saying kids were going hungry, which then morphed into kids are not eating healthy. Well maybe they're not eating well, some other kids don't dress well either, some don't speak well, some don't drink enough water.
These are things that are up to the parents to deal with.

Now I know you think that what about irresponsible parents, well I'm not blind, I know they exist. But ask yourself (and this is the core reason of why I am rightwing), how can it be possible for people to EVER become more responsible and self-dependent, by making them more dependent on the responsibility of government?
No doubt that there were more than a few back in the 1940's who lost a parent in the war and wanted Truman to sign the school lunches act, but how quickly has that turned into simply an option for lazy parents to have the school do it?

And STILL my central point is being evaded, these kids (including the ones you know) went away for the summer or weekends or holidays and came back just fine without any school lunch program, so that shows crystal clear that they simply do not need it.

 

[uscitizen]

Well Dano I addressed you point. This proves that food stamps and WIC works

What is it with you wanting children to go hungry ? Just another gloom and doom Republican ?

 

[Onceler]

"No doubt that there were more than a few back in the 1940's who lost a parent in the war and wanted Truman to sign the school lunches act, but how quickly has that turned into simply an option for lazy parents to have the school do it?"

Have you read nothing on this thread?

You brain is weird. It's like it's "full", and filled up at a very early age. You are incapable of processing new information.

 

[Cypress]

Well Dano I addressed you point. This proves that food stamps and WIC works

What is it with you wanting children to go hungry ? Just another gloom and doom Republican ?

High-fives all around for WIC.

What a great program.

 

[DigitalDave]

The thing is that this all started out by saying kids were going hungry, which then morphed into kids are not eating healthy. Well maybe they're not eating well, some other kids don't dress well either, some don't speak well, some don't drink enough water.
These are things that are up to the parents to deal with.

Now I know you think that what about irresponsible parents, well I'm not blind, I know they exist. But ask yourself (and this is the core reason of why I am rightwing), how can it be possible for people to EVER become more responsible and self-dependent, by making them more dependent on the responsibility of government?
No doubt that there were more than a few back in the 1940's who lost a parent in the war and wanted Truman to sign the school lunches act, but how quickly has that turned into simply an option for lazy parents to have the school do it?

And STILL my central point is being evaded, these kids (including the ones you know) went away for the summer or weekends or holidays and came back just fine without any school lunch program, so that shows crystal clear that they simply do not need it.

Action or inaction by the government is NEVER going to get people to be responsible. Just look at my recent example in the 'What you hate the most' thread. Dude is being told he owes $10000 in child support, has his license taken away and has two warrants for his arrest. He's been thrown in jail once already, got out and did nothing to become a responsible person. Giving a child a lunch is not going to effect how responsible a parent is to their child either. Children aren't pawns, where we can try and force people to be responsible by not supporting them. You just can't change people by force or lack of it.

Irresponsible parents who are not there to see the direct effects in the afternoon on their child not eating lunch are not going to consider that effect when debating on whether to pack the childs lunch or not. They could easily say that they'll just feed them a McDonalds cheeseburger when they see them next and they'll be good. Yeah, they are alive and not starving but is that really a way establish healthy eating patterns for a child. I would rather not have an irritated hungry child in the same classroom as my own child, disrupting other childrens learning.

If you want to battle the school lunch program, go after the food they are served. You could easily cut down the cost by serving more fruits and sandwiches instead of a hot meal that tastes like cardboard.