It’s official, seditious conspiracy!

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

Yes. Everyone who truly loves this country wants to see an end to both this sedition and this would-be king.

I like Biden's plan to deal with Mental Health Issues:

Biden plan would tackle chronic gaps in mental health care

"“And let’s get all Americans the mental health services they need,” Biden said in his speech Tuesday night. “More people can turn for help. And full parity between physical and mental health care if we treat it that way in our insurance.” That's been the unrealized goal of federal health care laws dating back nearly 25 years, said Hannah Wesolowski of the National Alliance on Mental Illness. “This represents an important agenda that impacts every American,” said Wesolowski, referring to Biden's plan.

For months, lawmakers have been signaling interest. In the Senate, the Finance Committee and the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee have held hearings with a bipartisan focus. In the House, the Energy and Commerce Committee and the Ways and Means Committee also held hearings. Those four panels do most of the work of Congress on health care. Such sustained attention is rare, advocates say. “I cannot remember a time when every committee of jurisdiction has held hearings on mental health,” said Charles Ingoglia, president of the National Council for Mental Wellbeing. “Sometimes we have gone years between dedicated hearings on mental health.” Now the White House is trying to draw lawmakers out, weaving strands from the Capitol Hill debate into an ambitious package, and adding its own priorities. “I think he highlighted a few key areas where we have good work to do,” Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska said in her reaction to Biden's speech."

One thing both sides seem to agree on is that they think the other side is mentally disturbed. Since so many people in America believe there is a glaring need for mental health services, maybe they can agree to pass this measure.
 
I refused to support Warren in 2020 because to me, she is one-dimensional. She knows nothing about FP, and that is a big issue for me. And that was before Putin invaded Ukraine, now it's even more important to me. The thing about Warren is not only does she have no experience in FP, I don't feel she can learn. She's too one-dimensional. Like if I look at someone like Pete, who I LOVE, he can learn. He is not one-dimensional.

And I disagree about Harris. If Biden doesn't run in 2024, and I personally feel that is a big if, I would love to see a Harris/Beto or Harris/Buttigieg tic.

Harris makes the most sense as VP. Beto would certainly need a job by then but he's too far Left. Buttigieg is a grounded, sensible representative.
 
I like Biden's plan to deal with Mental Health Issues:

Biden plan would tackle chronic gaps in mental health care

"“And let’s get all Americans the mental health services they need,” Biden said in his speech Tuesday night. “More people can turn for help. And full parity between physical and mental health care if we treat it that way in our insurance.” That's been the unrealized goal of federal health care laws dating back nearly 25 years, said Hannah Wesolowski of the National Alliance on Mental Illness. “This represents an important agenda that impacts every American,” said Wesolowski, referring to Biden's plan.

For months, lawmakers have been signaling interest. In the Senate, the Finance Committee and the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee have held hearings with a bipartisan focus. In the House, the Energy and Commerce Committee and the Ways and Means Committee also held hearings. Those four panels do most of the work of Congress on health care. Such sustained attention is rare, advocates say. “I cannot remember a time when every committee of jurisdiction has held hearings on mental health,” said Charles Ingoglia, president of the National Council for Mental Wellbeing. “Sometimes we have gone years between dedicated hearings on mental health.” Now the White House is trying to draw lawmakers out, weaving strands from the Capitol Hill debate into an ambitious package, and adding its own priorities. “I think he highlighted a few key areas where we have good work to do,” Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska said in her reaction to Biden's speech."

One thing both sides seem to agree on is that they think the other side is mentally disturbed. Since so many people in America believe there is a glaring need for mental health services, maybe they can agree to pass this measure.

I won't hold my breath, but it is a worthy goal. Maybe offer the RWers a choice: Either go along with providing more and better mental health services to our citizens, or we'll ban your precious bang-bangs that some of the mentally ill use to commit mass murder.
 
Harris makes the most sense as VP. Beto would certainly need a job by then but he's too far Left. Buttigieg is a grounded, sensible representative.

No. She's the sitting VP now. She will only ever be VP to Biden, no one else. She will either win the nomination in 24 or more likely, 28, or lose and not be on the ticket at all.
 
Do you think it's logical for Biden not to run for a second term? When he won the nomination that was what I hoped for, especially when he chose Kamala. But then Trump got millions more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. Millions more votes after destroying the country and conducting himself in a manner that only the truly committed dimwits could not see how corrupt he is. So that shocked me and also taught me something. What I want is not always what I need. I wanted Kamala/Beto. But they may very well have lost. What America wants is an old white man. I mean, they can't get off that old white man D. We had Trump, Biden, and Bernie as the big three. That's like hell to me! Without Tom Ellis, and nobody wants hell without Tom Ellis.

Anyway, in the end, the base of my party got it right. I am grateful the base of my party are black Americans, they chose wisely. Because I personally could not do another 4 years of Trump. Biden was not my first choice, but with what's happening with Russia, I see he was the best choice. I don't care what the morons here say, I've rarely read stupider thoughts than the things posted on this board (and I'm on Twitter!) I personally trust Biden on foreign policy, and I'm glad now that he is in the WH for this. We will see what happens, but I have no problem with him running for reelection. I know he's old, and I don't really like that so many of our choices are over 70, but it is what it is. For me Biden is, meh, not really what I ordered, or desired, but then I tried it on, and you know what? It works.

What I want to happen, and what I believe will happen are generally two different things. I know a lot of times in politics people confuse those things. I prefer Harris over Biden, even today, but the reality is that Biden is many times better than the other option was. If Biden does not run again, I don’t believe Harris is even the most likely nominee, the governor of Michigan for one stands out.

To me, a good presidential administration is more about the team they assemble and how that team works with the executive, than about the specific personality of the executive.

Look back, no drama Obama was better (even politics aside) than the drama queen himself…
 
No. She's the sitting VP now. She will only ever be VP to Biden, no one else. She will either win the nomination in 24 or more likely, 28, or lose and not be on the ticket at all.

Agreed; sorry for miscommunicating. Harris, as VP now, would be the most likely candidate for POTUS in 2024 if Biden doesn't run. I'll take Buttigieg over Beto any day of the week.
 
What I want to happen, and what I believe will happen are generally two different things. I know a lot of times in politics people confuse those things. I prefer Harris over Biden, even today, but the reality is that Biden is many times better than the other option was. If Biden does not run again, I don’t believe Harris is even the most likely nominee, the governor of Michigan for one stands out.

To me, a good presidential administration is more about the team they assemble and how that team works with the executive, than about the specific personality of the executive.

Look back, no drama Obama was better (even politics aside) than the drama queen himself…

I used to believe that, but Trump really proved that theory wrong. Even so, for the most part, it holds, but for foreign policy, when things get tough, I feel that decades of experience, and deep institutional knowledge are valuable.
 
I used to believe that, but Trump really proved that theory wrong. Even so, for the most part, it holds, but for foreign policy, when things get tough, I feel that decades of experience, and deep institutional knowledge are valuable.

I agree. It also (usually) ensures that you won't end up with an IMPOTUSx2 who runs around the globe kissing the rings and asses of despots.
 
What I want to happen, and what I believe will happen are generally two different things. I know a lot of times in politics people confuse those things. I prefer Harris over Biden, even today, but the reality is that Biden is many times better than the other option was. If Biden does not run again, I don’t believe Harris is even the most likely nominee, the governor of Michigan for one stands out.

To me, a good presidential administration is more about the team they assemble and how that team works with the executive, than about the specific personality of the executive.

Which points out that if Biden doesn't run in 2024, it becomes a free-for-all election.....a much dicier election than one where an incumbent is running. Biden won't say if he'll run or not because he'd automatically become a lame duck President the second he admits it.

As we've seen for the past 20 years since the Republicans began shitting on veterans, the Republican Party is been dumping all past conventions and honor. Their actions with SCOTUS under Obama and then Trump is a clear indicator of this happening. They won't become honorable in 2024.

Therefore, if all conventions are out, Biden, being a staunch Democrat and team player, must know that the best chance for a Democratic win in 2024 is for him to retire early and let Harris run as an incumbent for a year leading up to the election. She'd have the power of the pulpit and a clear edge in winning in 2024...provided she doesn't fuck it up.

If that happens, she'd have to pick a new VP and run with that same VP in the election. IF that happens, Harris has to potential to be the first 10 year President since FDR.
 
No, I don't vote for Democrat Presidents. :)

It's a prediction based on what's available and the mood of American voters. A Harris/Beto ticket, IMO, is a sure loser since it'd be seen as too far Left.

You don't vote for Democratic presidents, but you root for them to win? I am assuming you did not vote for Trump?
 
...To me, a good presidential administration is more about the team they assemble and how that team works with the executive, than about the specific personality of the executive...
I used to believe that, but Trump really proved that theory wrong. Even so, for the most part, it holds, but for foreign policy, when things get tough, I feel that decades of experience, and deep institutional knowledge are valuable.

IMO, Trump was never good at anything; he's the scum at the bottom of a barrel leftover after all the good people are created.

Trump's presidency was ineffective and harmful to the US precisely because he was a demagogue and not a team player.
 
Hello ThatOwlWoman,

I won't hold my breath, but it is a worthy goal. Maybe offer the RWers a choice: Either go along with providing more and better mental health services to our citizens, or we'll ban your precious bang-bangs that some of the mentally ill use to commit mass murder.

Every time the gun debate comes up they are the first to say it's not the gun it's the shooter, do something about mental health.

President Biden is calling their bluff now. Put up or shut up.

Love it.
 
You don't vote for Democratic presidents, but you root for them to win? I am assuming you did not vote for Trump?

Not rooting; predicting. I have no control over who will become the winner. Correct, I voted for Libertarian in the past two elections. Romney was my last Republican vote.

After the 2012 election, the Republicans commissioned the Growth & Opportunity Project to explore why they were losing elections. The Republican membership blew off all the recommendations. Trump was the result, the complete opposite of what the report recommended.

Note the recommendations on page 75 of the pdf and also the Messaging on page 77. Like with Trump, the Republicans Party did the opposite of the report. That's when I realized that the Republican Party I joined on 1974 no longer existed. The GOP was dead.
 
Hello ThatOwlWoman,



Every time the gun debate comes up they are the first to say it's not the gun it's the shooter, do something about mental health.

President Biden is calling their bluff now. Put up or shut up.

Love it.

Since most of the notorious mass shooters were known to be mentally ill, I fail to see how anyone doesn't understand it's a mental health issue?
 
Hello ThatOwlWoman,



Every time the gun debate comes up they are the first to say it's not the gun it's the shooter, do something about mental health.

President Biden is calling their bluff now. Put up or shut up.

Love it.

Remember when Trump made it EASIER for the mentally ill to get firearms? I do.
 
I won't hold my breath, but it is a worthy goal. Maybe offer the RWers a choice: Either go along with providing more and better mental health services to our citizens, or we'll ban your precious bang-bangs that some of the mentally ill use to commit mass murder.

There's that old Black & White authoritarian view of "Do as we say or we'll hurt you".
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Still, I do favor the better mental health care path since it would also help alleviate the problem of 50,000 American suicides every year....not that anyone gives shit about them.
 
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