Jab Regret Trend

[Hawkeye10]

Easy with the ad hominem.

It helps to minimize the transmission.

You fell for the con job.

 

[AProudLefty]

You fell for the con job.

No I didn't. I wasn't even going to get "jabbed".

 

[Scott]

To each his own, I’ve seen shingles, pneumonia and the flu’s very bad effects on unvaccinated elders, so I’ll take the jabs.

Your assumption is that getting vaccines would avoid these conditions. There's plenty of evidence that they would not, as well as evidence that they are harmful. For those who don't know, I actually made a thread on this here:

The Safety and Efficacy of Vaccines | justplainpolitics.com

Please post a link to a peer reviewed article that indicates that Covid vaccines have zero efficacy.

Any article that's open to the public can be reviewed by relevant experts if they so choose. The problem with peer reviewed journals is that viewpoints that they have inherent biases, both for supporting false results that support dominant narratives and quashing unpopular viewpoints. Some articles you might find interesting:

How Bias Is Ruining Scientific Research : If it bleeds (or has a miracle result), it leads | The American Spectator

Peer Review Bias: A Critical Review | sciencedirect.com

Please post a peer reviewed article that objectively shows tihe harmful effects of Covid 19 vaccinations.

See above in regards to peer reviewed journals, but there are plenty of articles that can be reviewed by anyone that show evidence that the Covid vaccines have harmful effects. Here's 2 that were recently published over at Children's Health Defense:

‘Cause Unknown’: Ed Dowd’s Pioneering Exploration of Sudden Deaths After the Rollout of COVID Vaccines | Children's Health Defense

COVID Vaccines Linked to Shingles Reactivation | Children's Health Defense

 

[Celticguy]

I do a lot of things to make my daughter worry less. She feels like its her job to look after me since her mom died. I hate to see her fret so I go along. Her being a nurse does not help on these sorts of things.

The jab was one of those things. I made sure I got J&J as its not mRNA which is a better option though it too has side effects.

Do I wish I had held off ? Yes, but it doesn't keep me up at night. You just go on.

I do worry about people who did get mRNA (like daughter and son-in-law). She just got over Covid herself (she has had several exposure quarantines but didn't catch till now) so now it worries me more.

 

[Scott]

The notion that polio is caused by a virus at all has been disputed by a book written by doctors called Virus Mania. Quoting from it:

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Polio: Pesticides Such as DDT and Heavy Metals under Suspicion

Practically all of the illnesses that affected people in industrialized countries in the decades before World War II (tuberculosis etc.) ceased to cause problems after 1945. For a few years, the major exception was polio (infantile paralysis), which continues to be called an infectious disease. In the 1950s, the number of polio cases in developed countries fell drastically—and epidemic authorities attributed this success to their vaccination campaigns. But a look at the statistics reveals that the number of polio victims had already fallen drastically when vaccination activities started (see diagram 2).

Many pieces of evidence justify the suspicion that the cause of infantile paralysis (polio) is not a virus. Many experts, like American physician Benjamin Sandler, believe a decisive factor is a high consumption of refined foods such as granulated sugar.312 Others cite mass vaccinations. Indeed, since the beginning of the 20th century, it has been known that the paralysis so typical of polio have often appeared at the site where an injection has been given.313 Additionally, the number of polio cases increased drastically after mass vaccinations against diphtheria and whooping cough in the 1940s, as documented in the Lancet and other publications.314 315 316

Polio, like most diseases, may be conditional on various factors. It makes particular sense, however, to take poisoning by industrial and agricultural pollution into consideration, to explain why this nervous disease first appeared in the 19th century, in the course of industrialization. It spread like wildfire in the industrialized West in the first half of the 20th century, while in developing countries, in contrast, there was no outbreak.

In the 19th century, the disease was named poliomyelitis, referring to degeneration of spinal column nerves (myelitis is a disease of the spinal cord) typical of polio.317 Orthodox medical literature can offer no evidence that the poliovirus was anything other than benign until the first polio epidemic, which occurred in Sweden in 1887. This was 13 years after the invention of DDT in Germany (in 1874) and 14 years after the invention of the first mechanical crop sprayer, which was used to spray formulations of water, kerosene, soap and arsenic.

“The epidemic also occurred immediately following an unprecedented flurry of pesticide innovations,” says Jim West of New York, who has extensively investigated the subject of polio and pesticides. “This is not to say that DDT was the actual cause of the first polio epidemic, as arsenic was then in widespread use and DDT is said to have been merely an academic exercise. However, DDT or any of several neurotoxic organochlorines already discovered could have caused the first polio epidemic if they had been used experimentally as a pesticide. DDT’s absence from early literature is little assurance that it was not used.”318

Nearly ten years before, in 1878, Alfred Vulpian, a neurologist, had provided experimental evidence for the poisoning thesis when he discovered that dogs poisoned by lead suffered from the same symptoms as human polio victims. In 1883, the Russian Miezeyeski Popow showed that the same paralysis could be produced with arsenic. These studies should have aroused the scientific community, considering that the arsenic-based pesticide Paris green had been widely used in agriculture to fight “pests” like caterpillars since 1870.319

“But instead of prohibiting the insecticide Paris green, it was replaced by the even more toxic pesticide: lead arsenate, which likewise contained heavy metals, in the state of Massachusetts in 1892,“ according to a 2004 article in the British magazine The Ecologist.320 Indeed, a polio epidemic broke out in Massachusetts two years later. Dr. Charles Caverly, who was responsible for the tests, maintained that a toxin was more likely the culprit than a virus, stating emphatically that, “we are very certainly not dealing with a contagious disease.”

Within a short time, however, lead arsenate became the most important pesticide in the industrialized world’s fruit cultivation. It was not the only toxic substance used in agricultural industries.321 In 1907, for example, calcium arsenate was introduced in Massachusetts322 and was used in cotton fields and factories. Months later, 69 children who lived downstream from three cotton factories suddenly became sick and suffered from paralysis. Meanwhile, lead arsenate was also being sprayed on the fruit trees in their gardens.323 But microbe hunters ignored these legitimate “cluster” factors, and instead continued searching for a “responsible” virus.324

A cornerstone for the polio-as-virus theory was laid down in 1908 by scientists Karl Landsteiner and Erwin Popper, both working in Austria.325 326 The World Health Organization calls their experiments one of the “milestones in the obliteration of polio.”327 That year, another polio epidemic occurred and once again there was clear evidence that toxic pesticides were at play. But, astoundingly, instead of following up this evidence, medical authorities viewed the pesticides as weapons in the battle against the arch enemy microbes. They even neglected to give the children suffering from lameness treatments to alleviate the pesticide poisoning and, thus establish whether their health could be improved this way.328 (In 1951, Irwin Eskwith did exactly that and succeeded in curing a child suffering cranial nerve damage—bulbar paralysis, a particularly severe form of polio329—with dimercaprol, a detoxification substance that binds heavy metals like arsenic and lead).330 331 332
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Source:
Engelbrecht, Torsten; Köhnlein, Claus; Bailey, Samantha; Scoglio, Stefano. Virus Mania (pp. 72-75). Books on Demand. Kindle Edition.

Please post a peer reviewed journal article demonstrating that polio was not caused by a virus.

See my post #43 for my views on peer reviewed journals here:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?198820-Jab-Regret-Trend&p=5466194#post5466194

I'm curious, did you even read much of the post you're responding to? Virus Mania is a book, not an article in a peer reviewed journal, but that doesn't negate the wealth of information that it has on alleged biological viruses, including the information on the alleged polio virus above.

 

[Scott]

It helps to minimize the transmission.

According to who? And what do you think concerning the evidence of adverse events from them?

 

[Life is Golden]

Fair enough, but I think the tide is definitely shifting in the direction of jab regrets. As someone who hasn't had a vaccine since childhood, I have no regrets whatsoever. My only regret is that I ever got a vaccine at all.

Most telling is the Israeli physician who when asked what type of pressures made him take the jab despite his reservations, his response was "social and occupational."

I've never had a flu shot. Had the flu once about 25 years ago. The only vaccine I've had since childhood was a tetanus shot and my jaw hurt so badly afterward it felt like it had given me lockjaw. There were red flags to me about the Covid jab from the jump. Any time someone tries to force you to make a decision in haste, it is usually not in your best interest. They don't want you to think it through because you will not do it when logic is applied.

 

[AProudLefty]

According to who? And what do you think concerning the evidence of adverse events from them?

According to the science of viral load.

Every medication or vaccine has side effects.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Most telling is the Israeli physician who when asked what type of pressures made him take the jab despite his reservations, his response was "social and occupational."

I've never had a flu shot. Had the flu once about 25 years ago. The only vaccine I've had since childhood was a tetanus shot and my jaw hurt so badly afterward it felt like it had given me lockjaw. There were red flags to me about the Covid jab from the jump. Any time someone tries to force you to make a decision in haste, it is usually not in your best interest. They don't want you to think it through because you will not do it when logic is applied.

And yet look how those who did not want it were labeled by power as the dirty people who must be hurt for their crime of disobedience.

 

[Life is Golden]

I did the right thing, but these experimental substances should have been for 50+....anyone younger should have had a very hard time getting jabbed.

It should be on a case-by-case basis and/or personal choice. There is no one-size-fits-all for this jab.

 

[Scott]

The notion that polio is caused by a virus at all has been disputed by a book written by doctors called Virus Mania. Quoting from it:

**
Polio: Pesticides Such as DDT and Heavy Metals under Suspicion

Practically all of the illnesses that affected people in industrialized countries in the decades before World War II (tuberculosis etc.) ceased to cause problems after 1945. For a few years, the major exception was polio (infantile paralysis), which continues to be called an infectious disease. In the 1950s, the number of polio cases in developed countries fell drastically—and epidemic authorities attributed this success to their vaccination campaigns. But a look at the statistics reveals that the number of polio victims had already fallen drastically when vaccination activities started (see diagram 2).

Many pieces of evidence justify the suspicion that the cause of infantile paralysis (polio) is not a virus. Many experts, like American physician Benjamin Sandler, believe a decisive factor is a high consumption of refined foods such as granulated sugar.312 Others cite mass vaccinations. Indeed, since the beginning of the 20th century, it has been known that the paralysis so typical of polio have often appeared at the site where an injection has been given.313 Additionally, the number of polio cases increased drastically after mass vaccinations against diphtheria and whooping cough in the 1940s, as documented in the Lancet and other publications.314 315 316

Polio, like most diseases, may be conditional on various factors. It makes particular sense, however, to take poisoning by industrial and agricultural pollution into consideration, to explain why this nervous disease first appeared in the 19th century, in the course of industrialization. It spread like wildfire in the industrialized West in the first half of the 20th century, while in developing countries, in contrast, there was no outbreak.

In the 19th century, the disease was named poliomyelitis, referring to degeneration of spinal column nerves (myelitis is a disease of the spinal cord) typical of polio.317 Orthodox medical literature can offer no evidence that the poliovirus was anything other than benign until the first polio epidemic, which occurred in Sweden in 1887. This was 13 years after the invention of DDT in Germany (in 1874) and 14 years after the invention of the first mechanical crop sprayer, which was used to spray formulations of water, kerosene, soap and arsenic.

“The epidemic also occurred immediately following an unprecedented flurry of pesticide innovations,” says Jim West of New York, who has extensively investigated the subject of polio and pesticides. “This is not to say that DDT was the actual cause of the first polio epidemic, as arsenic was then in widespread use and DDT is said to have been merely an academic exercise. However, DDT or any of several neurotoxic organochlorines already discovered could have caused the first polio epidemic if they had been used experimentally as a pesticide. DDT’s absence from early literature is little assurance that it was not used.”318

Nearly ten years before, in 1878, Alfred Vulpian, a neurologist, had provided experimental evidence for the poisoning thesis when he discovered that dogs poisoned by lead suffered from the same symptoms as human polio victims. In 1883, the Russian Miezeyeski Popow showed that the same paralysis could be produced with arsenic. These studies should have aroused the scientific community, considering that the arsenic-based pesticide Paris green had been widely used in agriculture to fight “pests” like caterpillars since 1870.319

“But instead of prohibiting the insecticide Paris green, it was replaced by the even more toxic pesticide: lead arsenate, which likewise contained heavy metals, in the state of Massachusetts in 1892,“ according to a 2004 article in the British magazine The Ecologist.320 Indeed, a polio epidemic broke out in Massachusetts two years later. Dr. Charles Caverly, who was responsible for the tests, maintained that a toxin was more likely the culprit than a virus, stating emphatically that, “we are very certainly not dealing with a contagious disease.”

Within a short time, however, lead arsenate became the most important pesticide in the industrialized world’s fruit cultivation. It was not the only toxic substance used in agricultural industries.321 In 1907, for example, calcium arsenate was introduced in Massachusetts322 and was used in cotton fields and factories. Months later, 69 children who lived downstream from three cotton factories suddenly became sick and suffered from paralysis. Meanwhile, lead arsenate was also being sprayed on the fruit trees in their gardens.323 But microbe hunters ignored these legitimate “cluster” factors, and instead continued searching for a “responsible” virus.324

A cornerstone for the polio-as-virus theory was laid down in 1908 by scientists Karl Landsteiner and Erwin Popper, both working in Austria.325 326 The World Health Organization calls their experiments one of the “milestones in the obliteration of polio.”327 That year, another polio epidemic occurred and once again there was clear evidence that toxic pesticides were at play. But, astoundingly, instead of following up this evidence, medical authorities viewed the pesticides as weapons in the battle against the arch enemy microbes. They even neglected to give the children suffering from lameness treatments to alleviate the pesticide poisoning and, thus establish whether their health could be improved this way.328 (In 1951, Irwin Eskwith did exactly that and succeeded in curing a child suffering cranial nerve damage—bulbar paralysis, a particularly severe form of polio329—with dimercaprol, a detoxification substance that binds heavy metals like arsenic and lead).330 331 332
**

Source:
Engelbrecht, Torsten; Köhnlein, Claus; Bailey, Samantha; Scoglio, Stefano. Virus Mania (pp. 72-75). Books on Demand. Kindle Edition.

Thank you for your input Dr.

I've never claimed to be a doctor, but Vaccine Mania, which I quoted extensively above, was written by 3 medical doctors.

Isn't it funny how all those things stopped causing polio after the Vaccine came out.

There's actually a diagram in Virus Mania book that I didn't include that shows that Polio was declining long before Polio vaccines. Here it is:

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Diagram 2

Polio death rates began to decline long before major
inoculation campaigns were started



From 1923 to 1953, long before large-scale polio vaccinations began to be carried out in the mid-1950s, mortalities attributed to polio had already decreased substantially: in the USA by 47 percent; in Great Britain by 55 percent; in other European countries, the statistics are comparable. This diagram was reproduced with permission from the following book: Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective? © Neil Z. Miller. Alle Rechte vorbehalten.
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Source:
Engelbrecht, Torsten; Köhnlein, Claus; Bailey, Samantha; Scoglio, Stefano. Virus Mania (p. 73). Books on Demand. Kindle Edition.

 

[Life is Golden]

I never regretted it. I did it twice for my mother..

And that is understandable.

Had I been around someone compromised I would have done the same thing. But I wasn't so I decided to ride it out and did so successfully. I haven't had even a sniffle in the past 5 or 6 years. I've never been a "sickly" kind of person anyway. Never got sick often.

 

[Life is Golden]

And yet look how those who did not want it were labeled by power as the dirty people who must be hurt for their crime of disobedience.

Yes, and some buckled under the pressure and took the jab. It is a sheep mentality. I was determined not to do so, no matter what.

 

[AProudLefty]

And that is understandable.

Had I been around someone compromised I would have done the same thing. But I wasn't so I decided to ride it out and did so successfully. I haven't had even a sniffle in the past 5 or 6 years. I've never been a "sickly" kind of person anyway. Never got sick often.

Yeah. I never got sick with Covid as far as I know. I doubt the vaccine has any adverse effect on me except for the days I was vaccinated.

 

[Nordberg]

Hawkeye or health pros hmmm which one? https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/what-you-need-know-about-covid-19-vaccines-and-myocarditis-teens
You are more likely to die from Covid than heart problems at any age. The heart problems were gone quickly in over 80 percent of the incidents. That means the troubles for Covid are far beyond the heart problems.

 

[Life is Golden]

Yeah. I never got sick with Covid as far as I know. I doubt the vaccine has any adverse effect on me except for the days I was vaccinated.

And I hope it doesn't. But I don't blame you for taking it to protect your mom. That was a selfless act, something I would have done had I been in the same position.

 

[Scott]

Fair enough, but I think the tide is definitely shifting in the direction of jab regrets. As someone who hasn't had a vaccine since childhood, I have no regrets whatsoever. My only regret is that I ever got a vaccine at all.

Nope. The rights are proclaiming the shots are killing kids and those who follow those idiots are scared. If you believe Fox and Infowars, you would be afraid. If you follow real medical pros, you are not worried.

There's plenty of evidence strongly suggesting that Covid vaccines have killed a great deal of people, nor is this information limited to right wing sources. One of the biggest proponents that Covid vaccines are dangerous is the website Children's Health Defense, which was founded by Robert Kennedy Jr., JFK's nephew and a lifetime democrat.

Here's the summary of an article published on their site on January 10th that I believe provides ample evidence that Covid vaccines are quite dangerous:

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•Americans had lost nearly three years of life expectancy during 2020 and 2021. In 2019, the average life span of Americans of all ethnicities was 78.8 years. By the end of 2020, it had dropped to 77.0 years and by the end of 2021, it was 76.4.

•From 2020 to 2021, death rates increased for each age group 1 year and over. The age groups with the highest increases include working-age adults, 25 to 54 and children under 4.

•The leading causes of death in 2021 were heart disease, cancer and COVID-19, all three of which were higher in 2021 than 2020. Unintentional injury and stroke also significantly increased in 2021.

•Heart disease, stroke and cancer are all now-known side effects of the COVID-19 jabs. Unintentional injuries may also be due to the shots, as you may easily be injured if you pass out or suffer a heart attack or stroke while doing just about anything.

•If the COVID-19 jabs worked, you’d expect excess mortality to drop, yet that’s not what we’re seeing. We’re also not seeing mass death from COVID-19. The only clear factor that might account for these discrepancies is mass injection with an experimental gene transfer technology.
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Source:
Americans Lost 3 Years of Life Expectancy During COVID Pandemic | Children's Health Defense

An interesting passage from the article above:

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Data analysis by The Ethical Skeptic — self-described as a former intelligence officer and strategist — shows cancer deaths are now being mislabeled as COVID-19 deaths.

The suspicion is that this is an effort to hide the fact that the COVID-19 shots have resulted in soaring cancer rates.

Seven of the 11 International Classification of Diseases (ICD) codes tracked by the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics — including cancer — saw sharp upticks starting in the first week of April 2021, which is when large swaths of the American population were getting their first COVID-19 jabs.

According to The Ethical Skeptic’s analysis of U.S. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) data, the CDC has been filtering and redesignating cancer deaths as COVID-19 deaths since Week 14 of 2021 to eliminate the cancer signal.
**

 

[Hawkeye10]

Yes, and some buckled under the pressure and took the jab. It is a sheep mentality. I was determined not to do so, no matter what.

90% of the people are sheep in normal times.

I refuse.....I unsubscribe.

 

[Scott]

It helps to minimize the transmission.

According to who?

According to the science of viral load.

Science is a methodology, it doesn't make statements, much less back them up. If you have an article that backs up your claim, by all means present it.

And what do you think concerning the evidence of adverse events from them?

Every medication or vaccine has side effects.

I don't know about all medications, but I agree that all vaccines do. Do you feel that the adverse events with covid vaccines are above the norm or the average for vaccines?

 

[AProudLefty]

Do you feel that the adverse events with covid vaccines are above the norm or the average for vaccines?

No.