Jab Regret Trend

[Nordberg]

Who tracks Covid deaths. https://covid19.who.int/?mapFilter=deaths It is a worldwide epidemic. It killed millions.

 

[Concart]

I looked at the Bloomberg article briefly, looks like a puff piece for covid vaccines. Here's one that isn't:

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Linked to Higher Adverse Event Risk vs Traditional Vaccines | Infectious Disease Advisor

As to your contention that "the" Covid vaccine (in truth, there are many different Covid vaccines) went "through" emergency use, implying it's no longer in that category, that's patently false. While there is apparently at least one Covid vaccine that has now been fully approved, it's not in use, probably because it won't enjoy the immunity from liability that the emergency use vaccines enjoy at the expense of the taxpayer, who has to pick up any costs associated with vaccine injuries or even deaths.

False.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...al-of-a-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-should-know

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I post about -what- frequently?

Back to disrespecting me I see.

Your lies about global COVID vaccines.

Sweetie, the disrespect is you masquerading as an American. I don't like liars and you've been lying since Day One.

 

[Scott]

You are multiple times more likely to die of Covid if you have not been vaxxed. That is called proof.

What you said is absolutely false. A complete lie.

I completely agree that Concart's statement is absolutely false, but I draw the line at calling it a lie. A lie can mean that he -knows- that it's false. I haven't seen any evidence of that.

 

[AProudLefty]

I completely agree that Concart's statement is absolutely false, but I draw the line at calling it a lie. A lie can mean that he -knows- that it's false. I haven't seen any evidence of that.

A proof is not a lie.

 

[Scott]

I looked at the Bloomberg article briefly, looks like a puff piece for covid vaccines. Here's one that isn't:

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Linked to Higher Adverse Event Risk vs Traditional Vaccines | Infectious Disease Advisor

As to your contention that "the" Covid vaccine (in truth, there are many different Covid vaccines) went "through" emergency use, implying it's no longer in that category, that's patently false. While there is apparently at least one Covid vaccine that has now been fully approved, it's not in use, probably because it won't enjoy the immunity from liability that the emergency use vaccines enjoy at the expense of the taxpayer, who has to pick up any costs associated with vaccine injuries or even deaths.

False.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...al-of-a-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-should-know

I forgot there's a bit of nuance to all of this. From an article that gets into it:

**
February 2, 2022

FDA Grants Full Approval of Moderna’s Spikevax COVID Vaccine — Another ‘Bait-and-Switch?’

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration on Monday granted full approval of Moderna’s Spikevax COVID vaccine for people 18 and older. Similar to the agency’s licensing last year of Pfizer’s Comirnaty vaccine, the approval raised a number of legal questions.

[snip]

No ‘fully licensed’ COVID vaccine actually available

While Moderna’s Spikevax vaccine is now fully licensed, the original Moderna vaccine will remain under EUA. Indeed, the FDA on Jan. 7 reissued the EUA.

The FDA has also made it clear the Spikevax vaccine will not be available to the American public, announcing:

“Although SPIKEVAX (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and Comirnaty (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) are approved to prevent COVID-19 in certain individuals within the scope of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine authorization, there is not sufficient approved vaccine available for distribution to this population in its entirety at the time of reissuance of this EUA.”

[snip]

Perhaps the most significant legal distinction, however, pertains to the legal protections afforded vaccine manufacturers, depending on how their product is classified.

Under the 2005 Public Readiness and Preparedness (PREP) Act, EUA-approved vaccines enjoy a significant liability shield. Specifically, vaccine manufacturers, distributors, providers, and government officials involved in the policymaking, approval, and distribution process are immune from any legal liability.

Under such regulations, the only way an injured party can sue is if he or she can prove willful misconduct, and if the U.S. government has also brought an enforcement action against the party for willful misconduct.

No such lawsuit has ever succeeded.

Conversely, fully licensed vaccines, such as Spikevax and Comirnaty, do not have a liability shield, and are instead subject to the same product liability laws as other products.

This means the Spikevax and Comirnaty vaccines could expose pharmaceutical companies to significant financial claims if individuals injured by the vaccines chose to sue the vaccine makers.
**

Full article:
FDA Grants Full Approval of Moderna’s Spikevax COVID Vaccine — Another ‘Bait-and-Switch?’ | Children's Health Defense

 

[Scott]

You are multiple times more likely to die of Covid if you have not been vaxxed. That is called proof.

What you said is absolutely false. A complete lie.

I completely agree that Concart's statement is absolutely false, but I draw the line at calling it a lie. A lie can mean that he -knows- that it's false. I haven't seen any evidence of that.

A proof is not a lie.

You're a few steps behind the 8 ball here Lefty. I'll run by the discussion Concart, SmarterthanYou and I just had here.

First, Concart made a few unsubstantiated assertions that I and SmarterthanYou strongly disagree with. SmartherthanYou then made 2 statements- the first being that what Concart said was absolutely false. The second being that it was a complete lie. I agreed with StY's first statement, but not with the second, for the reasons stated above. You then made a statement that, while true, simply doesn't apply to the discussion me, StY and Concart just had.

 

[AProudLefty]

You're a few steps behind the 8 ball here Lefty. I'll run by the discussion Concart, SmarterthanYou and I just had here.

First, Concart made a few unsubstantiated assertions that I and SmarterthanYou strongly disagree with. SmartherthanYou then made 2 statements- the first being that what Concart said was absolutely false. The second being that it was a complete lie. I agreed with StY's first statement, but not with the second, for the reasons stated above. You then made a statement that, while true, simply doesn't apply to the discussion me, StY and Concart just had.

Concert said there is proof. That what I was referring to.

As I have stated, a proof is not a lie.

 

[Scott]

You're a few steps behind the 8 ball here Lefty. I'll run by the discussion Concart, SmarterthanYou and I just had here.

First, Concart made a few unsubstantiated assertions that I and SmarterthanYou strongly disagree with. SmartherthanYou then made 2 statements- the first being that what Concart said was absolutely false. The second being that it was a complete lie. I agreed with StY's first statement, but not with the second, for the reasons stated above. You then made a statement that, while true, simply doesn't apply to the discussion me, StY and Concart just had.

Concert said there is proof. That what I was referring to.

As I have stated, a proof is not a lie.

Someone saying that there is proof of something does not automatically mean that this is so. When someone says that something is proven without actually providing evidence to back up their claim, this is called an unsubstantiated assertion.

 

[AProudLefty]

Someone saying that there is proof of something does not automatically mean that this is so. When someone says that something is proven without actually providing evidence to back up their claim, this is called an unsubstantiated assertion.

It has already been proven. You just haven't been paying attention.

 

[Scott]

Someone saying that there is proof of something does not automatically mean that this is so. When someone says that something is proven without actually providing evidence to back up their claim, this is called an unsubstantiated assertion.

It has already been proven. You just haven't been paying attention.

Anyone can say that about anything. If everyone here acted like whatever they believed had already been proven, we wouldn't get much discussion done.

 

[Althea]

Umm yeah those vaccine didn't get emergency use status and had to go through the whole safety protocol.

Salk injected his entire family with his experimental vaccine

 

[Althea]

The vaccine was tested on 10's of 1000's of people before being issued to the public. Where in Latin America did you get your medical degree? Same place as Dr. Oz, no doubt.

It's hard to discuss vaccine negative effects, as there are a handful of them out there. Russia's vaccine does nothing, as does the one they are supposedly using in China.

But...Astra Zeneca was the primary vaccine in Europe, and there were some bad side effects for a number of people.

They kept stepping on their dick in the early stages of testing, and had to scrap everything.


mRNA technology has been around since last century. Simply plugging in the correct synthetic RNA is all that is necessary.

 

[Althea]

OMG smh.

IKR?

 

[Althea]

Thank you for your input Dr. Isn't it funny how all those things stopped causing polio after the Vaccine came out.

This man makes a good point

 

[Althea]

Shingles is the absolute worst. I am almost to the one year mark, and mine is still not gone. I'm beginning to think it never will. On my face. I cannot sleep on that side without a Lidocain patch. My vision issues cone and go, sometimes the pain and pressure on the eyeball is debilitating. Get the jab.

Note: Ironically, mine came on four days after my first vaccination. I think it's possible that contributed, but I am still on board with vaccinations. I'm probably that unlucky .001 percent. Oh well.

I was going through a rough patch about 30 years ago, and got shingles across my ribs. I initially thought the rash was poison ivy, but when it progressed to severe pain, I found out it was shingles.


Having found an old Merck manual in a friend's basement, I read about shingles. In the 1940s, they recommended high doses of vitamin B12 and Lysine.

I tried it, and it worked.

I had another bout about two years later, and as soon as I saw the rash I did the B12/Lysine again, and it disappeared before the next phase.

It can't hurt to try it.

 

[Althea]

I’m so very sorry! I hope you get some relief quickly! My sister had it on her face and in her eyes as well. She said she’s never experienced such pain. My other sister had it and she said she didn’t want to wear clothes or cover up with sheets. They both encourage the rest of us to get the jab.

I felt like I was being hit in the ribs with a baseball bat before I realized what it was. I was young then too. For me, I was under a lot of stress, but otherwise healthy.

The second bout came after I had to euthanize a pet who came home with a broken leg. I was just reading that it is rare to get it more than twice.

 

[Althea]

This is a false equivalence fallacy. The polio vaccine has proven, from the start, to be very effective in preventing someone from catching polio. Once vaccinated, you are almost certain to never contract polio.
With the various Chinese disease vaccines, you still have about a 50 - 50 chance of contracting a case. Boosters are claimed by the so-called experts to be needed as often as every 6 months afterwards for an extended period just to keep you at that 50 -50 chance. It is claimed that if you do catch a case, the likelihood is it will be milder. That isn't a true vaccine, it's damn near a placebo.

Polio has not morphed into another strain.

Covid continues to enjoy the benefit of millions of unvaccinated individuals to romp and play. Because there is no cure for the common cold, Covid vaccines will be as effective as the annual flu vaccine.

 

[Althea]

Easy with the ad hominem.

It helps to minimize the transmission.

He's an idiot. If everyone is vaccinated, then it does help with transmission.

More specifically, a lowering of the viral load once infected

 

[Althea]

Any article that's open to the public can be reviewed by relevant experts if they so choose. The problem with peer reviewed journals is that viewpoints that they have inherent biases, both for supporting false results that support dominant narratives and quashing unpopular viewpoints. Some articles you might find interesting:

How Bias Is Ruining Scientific Research : If it bleeds (or has a miracle result), it leads | The American Spectator

Peer Review Bias: A Critical Review | sciencedirect.com



See above in regards to peer reviewed journals, but there are plenty of articles that can be reviewed by anyone that show evidence that the Covid vaccines have harmful effects. Here's 2 that were recently published over at Children's Health Defense:

‘Cause Unknown’: Ed Dowd’s Pioneering Exploration of Sudden Deaths After the Rollout of COVID Vaccines | Children's Health Defense

COVID Vaccines Linked to Shingles Reactivation | Children's Health Defense

LOL.
A nutter group founded by an anti vaxer.

Who are their peers?

Infowars?